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Criticize my M13 sealed deck



 
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Saeku



Joined: 03 Sep 2012
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Criticize my M13 sealed deck Reply with quote

Here's how I built this pool:

Deck:
9 Swamp
8 Plains
1 Crusader of Odric
1 Bloodhunter Bat
1 Aven Squire
1 Attended Knight
1 Duty-Bound Dead
1 Griffin Protector
1 Liliana's Shade
1 Odric, Master Tactician
1 Servant of Nefarox
1 Silvercoat Lion
2 Tormented Soul
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Walking Corpse
1 Cower in Fear
1 Captain's Call
1 Divine Verdict
1 Jayemdae Tome
2 Murder
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Pacifism
1 Staff of Nin




Sideboard:

White
4 Ajani Sunstriker
1 Battleflight Eagle
1 Erase
2 Pillarfield Ox
1 War Falcon
1 Warclamp Mastiff

Blue
1 Clone
1 Divination
1 Essence Scatter
2 Faerie Invaders
2 Harbor Serpent
2 Hydrosurge
1 Kraken Hatchling
1 Rewind
1 Sleep
1 Switcharoo
2 Talrand's Invocation
1 Wind Drake

Black
2 Crippling Blight
1 Dark Favor
1 Duress
1 Mind Rot
2 Phylactery Lich
1 Rise from the Grave
2 Vile Rebirth
1 Zombie Goliath

Red
1 Bladetusk Boar
1 Canyon Minotaur
2 Chandra's Fury
1 Craterize
1 Crimson Muckwater
1 Kindled Fury
1 Krenko's Command
1 Magmaquake
1 Rummaging Goblin
2 Turn to Slag
1 Volcanic Geyser
1 Volcanic Strength
1 Wild Guess

Green
1 Fog
1 Fungal Sprouting
1 Roaring Primadox
1 Spiked Baloth
1 Vastwood Gorger
1 Yeva's Forcemage

Other
2 Clock of Omens
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Ring of Valkas



Comments:
This pool has some strong removal, but is hampered by colour intensity in all colours accompanied by a lack of fixing.

I chose to go black and white because each colour offered good removal (2x Murder, O-Ring, Pacifism) and bombs such as Nighthawk and Odric, as well as for minor synergy between exalted cards in both colours.

Green is obviously out, so blue and red are the two other competing colours. Red has two amazing X spells, but both require RR to cast. The lack of fixing in this pool removes red as a dip option, and there are simply not enough playables to make red a major part of the deck.

The blue pool features some nice fliers, Clone, and Sleep. Unfortunately, it is pretty slow, and the most appealing cards for dip require UU. If I had better ground defense in my white or black pools, I might have made blue the full secondary colour.

Not putting in the Ajani Sunstrikers was probably a mistake. I was mainly concerned with their colour intensity and lack of late-game relevance, instead opting to include cards like Captain's Call and Attended Knight to synergize with Odric. I probably should have run these instead of Tormented Souls.

I appreciate any comments, or advice on how you would have built differently.


Last edited by Saeku on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:58 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Stunseed



Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How I'd have built this pool - Assuming you understand the 2 Turn to Slag you have listed are Red, not black.

8 Swamp
9 Mointain

1 Bloodhunter Bat
1 Duty-Bound Dead
1 Servant of Nefarox
1 Liliana's Shade
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Walking Corpse
2 Murder
1 Staff of Nin
1 Rise from the Grave
2 Turn to Slag
1 Bladetusk Boar
2 Chandra's Fury
1 Crimson Muckwader
1 Magmaquake
1 Volcanic Geyser
1 Canyon Minotaur
2 Vile Rebirth
2 Tormented Soul
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Saeku



Joined: 03 Sep 2012
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for pointing that out! It was a typo - edited to fix.

That's a pretty nice build but I would be wary running only 9 creatures. I guess removal + Vile Rebirth shores it up a bit.
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moscowdemon
Level 4 Judge


Joined: 18 Dec 2008
Posts: 297

PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My build would be this:

10 Plains
7 Swamp
1 Crusader of Odric
1 Aven Squire
1 Attended Knight
1 Griffin Protector
1 Odric, Master Tactician
1 Captain's Call
1 Divine Verdict
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Pacifism
1 Staff of Nin
2 Murder
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Servant of Nefarox
1 Bloodhunter Bat
4 Ajani Sunstriker
1 Duty-Bound Dead
1 Cower in Fear
1 Silvercoat Lion
1 Walking Corpse

I would play the sunstrikers due to the power they can have in a deck, especially one with an underlying exalted factor (a very slim one, mind you). I prefer them over the Tormented Souls that can't do anything defensively if you needed. This deck also has the lowest curve that suits your needs and has 19 "creatures", 16 creature cards (counting captain's call) with call making 3 guys and knight making 2. This makes Crusader very big, very easy and makes Odric most likely able to auto-master warcraft the first turn he attacks.
This decks curve is:
1 CMC - 1
2 CMC - 8
3 CMC - 8
4 CMC - 5
5 CMC - 0
6 CMC - 1

You have 5 removal spells, along with Staff of Nin maybe being more and 1 sweeper type effect with Cower in Fear. This deck seems very solid and likely could walk through quite a few rounds.
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magicman85



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Posts: 555

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moscow's list is pretty good. Here is what I think:

Jaymedae Tome is too slow for BW exalted.

Crippling Blight is a good card. Probably better than Cower in Fear for main deck. Cower sideboard if they also playing a x/1 weenie type deck.

Tormented Soul is better than Silvercoat Lion and Walking Corpse.
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ody



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not have time to post a list, but I think I would go with blue black. W-B is overated in my opinion while blue black has a lot more synergy. But I think all these 3 colours would be ok. Red does not really have any depth or even good cards
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Spyx



Joined: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 1188

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure you should be playing rise from the grave. It's valuable to get nighthawk or odric back. Since it's sealed other people will have bombs too, and murdering their sublime archangel and getting it back can win games on it's own.
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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Posts: 898

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second what spyx said, also I'm always a fan of one mind rot main deck, as a well timed one can be a real beating.
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Fanboy1



Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 42

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your White is not good. But if you insist on BW play both Crippling Blight ffs.

But Odric is not as great as it seems. Always good, but not as often broken as you would think. Other than that W only has 2 removal spells and an Aven Squire. Your blue is far stronger. 2 Talrands Invocation is insane and it even has 2 Faerie Invaders and a Clone (+ Divivation, Essence Scatter).

This should be close to optimal. Not sure about Zombie Goliath though.

9 Swamp
8 Island

1 Kraken Hatchling
1 Duty-Bound Dead
1 Bloodhunter Bat
1 Servant of Nefarox
1 Vampire Nighthawk
1 Walking Corpse
2 Faerie Invaders
1 Clone
1 Wind Drake
1 Zombie Goliath
1 Liliana's Shade

2 Murder
1 Cower in Fear
1 Staff of Nin
1 Rise from the Grave
1 Crippling Blight
2 Talrand's Invocation
1 Switcheroo
1 Divination
1 Essence Scatter
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Saeku



Joined: 03 Sep 2012
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for your advice so far. I think that I personally may have a bad habit of overrating/forcing BW exalted in this format. Fanboy1, your UB build looks very solid, better build than mine. Zombie Goliath looks like a decent pick, considering that the deck is a bit light on ground defense -- what else were you considering, a second Crippling Blight?
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Fanboy1



Joined: 10 Aug 2011
Posts: 42

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.

Crippling Blight, Jayemdae Tome and Mind Rot are all better cards than Goliath. But I think the deck needs a bit more beef because it only has the 2 Invaders, a Clone and a Shade as creatures with size.
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RTardiff



Joined: 26 Sep 2004
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have gone with WU:

10 Plains
7 Island

1 War Falcon

4 Ajani Sunstriker
1 Aven Squire

1 Crusader of Odric
1 Attended Knight
1 Wind Drake

1 Griffin Protector
1 Odric, Master Tactician
1 Captain's Call
1 Clone
2 Talrand's Invocation

2 Faerie Invaders

(17 creatures)

1 Pacifism
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Divination
1 Sleep
1 Switcharoo or Essence Fracture - your choice
1 Staff of Nin

(6 spells)

I doubt you could lose with that deck.
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