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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Posts: 898

PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 1:34 pm    Post subject: M13 Prerelease Draft Video Reply with quote

The Draft http://youtu.be/X2jxOSr48HI

Round 1 http://youtu.be/Uxj2mPaT_Cw

Round 2 http://youtu.be/jCBusyzegu0

Round 3 http://youtu.be/qFV2qWFnQ6s

Feedback appreciated Smile
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kane2



Joined: 24 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could nitpick.. but I think this time there were just too many wrong picks.
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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kane2 wrote:
I could nitpick.. but I think this time there were just too many wrong picks.


Yeah like what chances are I'm a better drafter than you, in fact I checked your limited rating on here your 1550 its actually hard to be that bad, I do not think I need to take advice from you.
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GunsAndDope



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Posts: 261

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kane2's limited rating history
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533873 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 07/25 16:37 Esssses 16 L -8 1551
533594 M13/M13/M13/M13/M1.. #magic-league Trial 1 07/23 14:17 wilsonz 24 L -11 1559
533517 M13 Sealed #2 #magic-league Tourney 2 07/22 21:02 VUVUZELA 16 L -6 1570
533499 M13 Sealed #2 #magic-league Tourney 1 07/22 19:56 Lenin 16 W 11 1576
533438 M13/M13/M13/M13/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 07/22 14:29 Nitroks 16 L -4 1565
495822 MRD/MRD/DST/DST/5D.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/29 16:07 CMA-Flippi 16 L -4 1569
495442 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/27 12:13 ewan_ 16 L -8 1573
495135 ISD/CUB/M12/3E/EVE.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/25 21:15 mister_milk 16 L -6 1581
494418 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/23 19:55 ByteCruncher 16 L -8 1587
494299 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 2 10/22 17:49 Benyosif 16 L -9 1595
494276 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/22 16:47 Sun_Diego 16 W 8 1604
494265 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/22 16:02 cabof 16 L -10 1596
493119 ALA/ALA/CFX/CFX/AR.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/16 18:05 EarthBirther 16 W 7 1606
492942 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/15 19:03 Maha 16 L -9 1599
492020 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/11 10:00 Pete278 16 L 0 1608
491567 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Master 1 10/09 12:20 Djinn 32 D 0 1608
491457 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/08 18:49 dbreeder 16 L -4 1608
491320 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/07 16:31 darksun5 16 W 10 1612
490636 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/04 14:38 pterarch 16 W 10 1602
490152 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/02 10:15 pascal3000 16 L -5 1592
490100 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 10/01 22:41 Mycah 16 L -9 1597
488413 ISD/ISD/ISD/ISD/IS.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/25 11:33 Disem 16 L -10 1606
487971 LRW/LRW/LRW/LRW/LR.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/22 18:25 jawsthehobo 16 L -5 1616
487742 4E/5E/6E/7E/8ED/9E.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/21 14:44 Pandearon 16 W 8 1621
487722 Draft Innistrad #magic-league Tourney 1 09/21 13:17 TwoTrees 16 L -8 1613
487702 BOK/BOK/CHK/CHK/SO.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/21 11:42 ewan_ 16 L -8 1621
487638 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 3 09/21 01:01 Az-cz 16 L -5 1629
487636 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/21 00:50 moscowdemon 16 W 7 1634
487619 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/21 00:27 HotSoup 16 W 7 1627
487516 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/20 16:38 Lenin 16 L -8 1620
487380 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/19 22:20 Nice 16 W 6 1628
487354 ONS/HL/AQ/2E/DK/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/19 19:23 Kilgrow 16 W 8 1622
487247 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 1 09/19 13:52 sb305198 24 L -11 1614
487060 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/18 09:49 TOPO 16 L -8 1625
486918 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/17 13:51 WhoamI 16 L -6 1633
486807 6E/6E/6E/6E/6E/6E .. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/16 18:16 Raithor 16 W 7 1639
486570 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/15 17:54 Canabiest 16 W 10 1632
486498 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/15 15:18 frank 16 L -5 1622
486500 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 3 09/15 14:38 Gman19 16 L -7 1627
486483 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/15 14:11 tecktonicboy 16 W 10 1634
486465 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/15 14:06 MitchMachine 16 W 11 1624
485945 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/13 14:52 Comodope 16 L -5 1613
485926 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/13 14:37 LerYy 16 W 8 1618
485716 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/12 19:18 Zocojr 16 L -8 1610
485692 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/12 18:34 WillyBlake 16 W 9 1618
485675 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/12 17:43 mishimakaz 16 L -6 1609
485574 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 1 09/12 15:49 Kayser 24 L -6 1615
485241 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/12 10:37 fdart17 16 L -6 1621
484578 LRW/LRW/LRW/LRW/LR.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/09 17:16 khim 16 L -7 1627
484279 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/08 16:46 Phellipe 16 L -9 1634
484261 CUB/CUB/CUB/CUB/CU.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/08 15:19 WhoamI 16 W 11 1643
483657 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 3 09/06 17:00 jessica 16 L -6 1632
483649 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/06 16:00 MitchMachine 16 W 11 1638
483632 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/06 15:12 DARKING 16 W 10 1627
483611 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/06 14:18 Comodope 16 L -6 1617
483586 First 3XM12 Draft .. #magic-league Tourney 2 09/06 11:49 Sligh_Br 16 W 11 1623
483555 First 3XM12 Draft .. #magic-league Tourney 1 09/06 11:32 Microtom 16 W 8 1612
483408 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 6 09/05 18:51 Xerocious 24 L -5 1604
483367 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 5 09/05 17:34 Bye 24 W 0 1609
483338 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 4 09/05 17:33 TheOneEye 24 W 19 1609
483317 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 3 09/05 16:30 LordMagius 24 W 12 1590
483302 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 2 09/05 15:11 The_Youth 24 W 12 1578
483269 M12/M12/M12/M12/M1.. #magic-league Trial 1 09/05 13:54 Wyckham 24 W 13 1566
4095 FUT/TSP/PLC Sealed Appr Tourney 1 05/18 21:48 Lyri 16 L -8 1553
3566 Combined result archived matches 05/18 10:27 Archived 0 L -39 1561



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458851 Ravnica Draft #magic-league Tourney 3 05/23 11:26 megasupa 16 W 7 1618
458843 Ravnica Draft #magic-league Tourney 2 05/23 11:08 Trivial 16 W 11 1611
458823 Ravnica Draft #magic-league Tourney 1 05/23 09:52 nammfoodle 16 W 8 1600
380446 M11 Draft Now it w.. #magic-league Tourney 1 08/02 07:46 Filippy 16 L -8 1592



You win one Ravnica draft and you think you're super good? Guess what....Kane2 has won more games here than you have.

Also: your picks sucked. If you want to know why they suck, just ask and we'll gladly tell you.
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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Posts: 898

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use to be in the modo limited hall of fame ie top 100 players on modo for limited. He is a 1550 he loses 4 games for everyone he wins he is the one who needs the advice. I obviously do not play here anymore. There is more than a 200 point rating gap between me and him and my rating is from modo (better than ml) on account I have had for a month or so.
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ody



Joined: 19 Nov 2004
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah some bad choises... i do not understand why not stay w/r...

PS anything else than 8-4s on modo are not worth watching.
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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Posts: 898

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prerelease there in only swiss drafts and i was gr honestly you people are so stupid, Im not going to bother anymore cause all you get is jealouse little scrub haters saying you made some bad picks but wont even challenge me on one, cause they know deep down they suck so much. Your Loss.
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kane2



Joined: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you ask nicely I am sure one or all of us with go through and give you pick by pick's for what you should have taken.
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BlackPen



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what you guys are talking about the draft seems mostly fine. He picked removal highly and filled his curve out.

The criticism I have is that you did not take enough risks. You took fire elementals kind of early when you didn't need to. I think healer of the pride is better enough that it's worth taking even if you aren't locked into white yet. Also You took the second fire elemental over Escence drain (splashable removal) and gorgon(splashable bomb). Sure the good black and white cards might not make your deck, but fire elemental isn't adding much either, and if you do pick up enough fixers the off color cards end up helping you a lot.

Also I would have have looked to go aggressive in the drafting process. This might be more of a style thing though. I would have preferred the late pack wolf over the farseek and I would have looked to pick up the late flunkies over ranger's path. Flunkies is bad in most decks, but very good in the aggressive decks.

also cmon guys it was obvious that green/red were the colors to be in. Green was way open late and the two early flames cemented him in red.
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ody



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well w/r is where you should be. all your green cards minus the rancor where mediocre while you ve passed a lot of good white cards.

the fire elementas is definatly not beter than the 4 cc white gain 2 life creature.
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struikje



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also found you pick fire elemental way to early. Its an effect (big 5 drop) that is not that special, and is easy to pick up later in the draft.
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undertow



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Posts: 7

PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you picked fire elemental over healer of the pride and i closed it
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Davor



Joined: 19 Oct 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep you should have stayed r/w... and those equipments aren't as great as you think. Bad drafting overall IMO.
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GreenBear



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You really can not tell what is open after the first two picks, if you think you can you must draft a lot of train wrecks. I reviewed the draft White was not open, packs with multiple good cards all in the same colour are not often a sign that the colour is open. What you need to be looking for is consistently good cards being passed in a colour for a few picks not all in the same pack. Take a look at the pack after the one with the healer and others no good white cards at all.

I can accept, I should have took a white card over the fire elemental even if i was not going to go white which i would not have even if i had made the pick, however after the way the draft started i was confident red was open but no other colour at the time i indicated this in the commentrary. Average drafters cement themselves into two colours after two picks and end up with train wrecks as they can not read the signals. I change colours a lot at the start of a draft looking to position myself in the best colours and reap the rewards later.

I think we can say i probably over value fire elemental point taken. But if you end up in white this draft because you took a 2nd pick pacifism and them assumed white was open when it was not. Its you who can not draft not me. Like i said I've been in the hall of fame for limited before back when i drafted a lot more I'm always between 1750 and 1850 limited rating. I can learn from this but chances are most people can learn a lot more from me partciulary about getting in the right colours, as I am very good at that. Once again if you think i should have been in white your wrong. For the record the person feeding me was obvioulsly the mono blue mill i faced round 2 but the person after him was in white. The most important picks are 3-8 pack 1, before that and you can get trapped in a colour that is not open, which is what most of you did here. Note pack 3 had 2 good green cards in centaur and packleader no white cards. Pack 4 we know about 3 good white cards now lets look at the packs after pack 5 best white card random pump spell only white spell, green vastwood gorger and a plummet slighlty better green. Pack 6 pillar field ox best white green naturalize nothing very good in this pack no signal can be taken from it. Pack 7 we get an actual signal very late deadly recluse, the later a signal is the more a signal it is, so this is a definate signal green is open also a plummet for sb, compared to pillar field ox pick 8 the wheel both yeavs forcemage and the green ring wheeled, clearly this tells us very clearly we should be in green. These were the only two green cards in the pack, both silverchase fox and rain of blades have been taken over them Schooled Smile

I'll post again as this did not degenerate like I thought it would. But please do not post like your some all knowing whatever (when your a 1500) but then give no actual content just this was bad. It just looks like your trolling me.

Also black pen thanks that was a really helpful post and some others who called me out on the fire elemental thing I agree with most of what you are saying. Also I hate cards like flunkies, as I find to often they sit there doing nothing but that certainly is a way of doing things I respect. Also people saying I quit after one pick like there way of thinking can be the only right way, one word for people like that stupid people.
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Fanboy1



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fire Elemental pick was perfect and don't let enybody tell you otherwise.
P2P4: oh my take the Gorgon! take the Gorgon! you even already have a Farseek. that pick made me cry.
P2P8: Mogg Flunkies is a playable card. Ranger's Path is not.
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