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What do you think WOTC will ban in standard in the next announcement?
Delver of Secrets
18%
 18%  [ 7 ]
Snapcaster Mage
10%
 10%  [ 4 ]
Ponder
16%
 16%  [ 6 ]
Other
5%
 5%  [ 2 ]
Nothing, format is healthy
48%
 48%  [ 18 ]
Total Votes : 37

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Shagrath



Joined: 24 Feb 2005
Posts: 241

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:14 pm    Post subject: ..... Reply with quote

delver isn't overwhelming as some ppl say. There are plenty of decks that can beat it or at least have a 50-50 chance against it (grixis, rg, ub, flare, etc ). Criers gonna cry..... geez.
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struikje



Joined: 11 Mar 2011
Posts: 108

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delver is annoying, powerfull, but will not get banned... It's nowhere near Jace 2.0 or stoneforge
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GunsAndDope



Joined: 12 Jul 2011
Posts: 261

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What caused us to be discussing this topic anyway? Was there a rumor or an announcement alluding to new bannings?

At any rate, the only thing I could see getting banned would be the new land that hoses counterspells against creatures, and even then, that seems stupid to ban.
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
What caused us to be discussing this topic anyway? Was there a rumor or an announcement alluding to new bannings?


It's been discussed a lot after the last scg opens and after Chapin and S.Black "predicted" a ban coming.
I think it's very possible, especially after wotc openly admitted snapcaster was a big mistake.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/191

Edit. btw i totally agree that cavern of souls is the real problem card, singlehandedly hating out permission control out of the format.
It's not a case we had one of the best standard in ages before AVR was released.
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cloysterd



Joined: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 176

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would I like to see bans? Yes. Do I expect to see them? No. But here's hoping Ponder isn't in M13.
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mtgsoldier



Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Posts: 59

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ban:

- green sun zenit
-Birthing Pod
-Delver os secrets
-Ponder
-Snapcaster mage
-Primeval Titan
-Cavern of Souls

Result:

-Epic healthy format
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NearSideMoon



Joined: 29 Mar 2012
Posts: 65

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mtgsoldier wrote:
Ban:

- green sun zenit
-Birthing Pod
-Delver os secrets
-Ponder
-Snapcaster mage
-Primeval Titan
-Cavern of Souls

Result:

-Epic healthy format


The actual result would probably be either a U/B Control format or an Aggro Humans format.
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Zeph



Joined: 10 Feb 2007
Posts: 100

PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Delver has bad or suboptimal matchups IMO. The deck I play never loses against delver unless I get mana screwed, does very well against control and flare, and poorly against ramp and UB Tezzerator. I did very well against Tezz until I added some more tech for Pod-Ramp-Delver, that way I got tech against the most common decks and not against a deck I rarely find.

I know Delver is a pain in the ass but you can get around it with a well planned deck adding hate against it but usable against other decks too. I think even when netdecking saves time you need to get creative sometimes and look for solutions (a little of creative tech)... don't be lazy people... try to think for yourselves...
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struikje



Joined: 11 Mar 2011
Posts: 108

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how is RG ramp vulnerable to those spells? And are there UG/UB delver lists?

I find the UR delver list way easier to beat (with me playing RG ramp).
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The deck I play never loses against delver


You are lying, and you know it Cool
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NearSideMoon



Joined: 29 Mar 2012
Posts: 65

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EMA wrote:
Quote:
The deck I play never loses against delver


You are lying, and you know it Cool


Well, if he's playing a Delver deck as well, then even if he loses to another Delver deck, his 'deck' still did not lose, because 'Delver' won.

I think... :3

But seriously guys, don't you see? The answer to this problem is not to ban Delver, but to play Delver designed to beat all the other Delver decks.
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GreenBear



Joined: 27 Jul 2010
Posts: 899

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If delver was warping the meta game that much, that the best call was delver decks designed to beat other delver decks then that would be an argument for a banning but as far as i am aware its not.
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Memmy



Joined: 08 Jul 2006
Posts: 37

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From May 17, Trials/Masters and on. Delver has only appeared once in the T4/T8. What are you complaining about. Play "Whipflare", goodbye Geist, Delver, and Snap.
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Pokemaster



Joined: 16 Sep 2007
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/season_summary.php?event=45
27% of #1 places, wolf run has 9% only.
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xJudicatorx



Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 696

PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The option "Nothing, format is healthy" doesn't really fit. Format is definitely not healthy, but they still won't ban anything.
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