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B/W Pox, help me tune this pile



 
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:50 am    Post subject: B/W Pox, help me tune this pile Reply with quote

I was inspired by martell's list and built this pile:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
1 [MBS] Swamp (2)
4 [U] Scrubland
2 [MM] Plains (3)
1 [MM] Dust Bowl
4 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair
4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
4 [JGC] Wasteland
4 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth

// Creatures
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic

// Spells
4 [DKA] Lingering Souls
4 [FNM] Cabal Therapy
4 [AP] Vindicate
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (3)
4 [B] Dark Ritual
4 [JGC] Sinkhole
4 [M12] Smallpox
4 [ISD] Liliana of the Veil
1 [NPH] Batterskull
1 [GPX] Umezawa's Jitte

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 [LG] The Abyss
SB: 1 [AL] Dystopia
SB: 1 [LG] Nether Void
SB: 2 [MI] Enlightened Tutor

I'm just not sure about Stoneforge and the sb got totally copied from a pox deck here in ml lol.

Possible sweet cards to test would be bloodghast + fetchlands, crucible of worlds, nether spirit (bad with stoneforge), bitterblossom.
So far the deck seems quite sweet. Sb needs to be totally reworked, even tho leylines were actually quite good.
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Mrrr



Joined: 06 Aug 2011
Posts: 65

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That SB is bs. Most likely because I made it Very Happy
Anyways. Nether Spirit is the best and perhaps only creature suitable for pox. Bloodghast may seem nice but the problem is that it can't block. As Pox is a control deck this really is an issue. I'd say drop stoneforge. Since you play almost no creatures its gonna eat all the removal and also it doesn't really fit in well with the whole pox idea of saccing your own creatures as well.
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Already cut stoneforge, dropped vindicates and lilianas to 3 each, added 3 swords to plowshares and a singleton nether spirit.
Now I have 2 free slots, suggestions?

Possible ideas:

Top, (I'd love to have it but without fetchlands it sucks. I do have shuffle effects with the flagstones but they are just not as easy to activate.)

Another nether spirit/liliana/vindicate

Cursed scroll (I personally dislike it but every monob pox list runs it)

Sorin, lord of innistrad (seems sweet with all the tokens, might be just getting too greedy)

Some kinf of CA would be nice also...
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Mrrr



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

discarding souls/nether is card advantage, so is resolving hymn. Of your 4 win conditions (Nether, souls, factory, scroll) scroll will probably be the worst. Nonetheless its good because of its versatility. Its targeted removal when you dont feel like spending a vindicate and of course its 2 damage a turn to the dome. The discussion tends to be scroll vs the rack so I'd say try both and see what you like best.

Sorin is a bad idea. You'll only use his +1 ability and beating your opponent into submission usually means you'll be stuck on a few lands and you won't be able to cast him in the first place. The emblem is useless and the ultimate makes no sense in a deck that's designed to keep the board clean. You might as well play kjeldoran outpost Wink

I'm also not sure about cabal therapy without thoughtseize/inquisition backup. You'd rather not sac your spirit tokens for the flashback and you'll have to be lucky to have a nether spirit on the table for it to have any effect at all. Inquisition is just better in that scenario. By the time they have the mana up for something that costs 4 they'll already have an empty hand.

I'd add a nether spirit because of the 100% synergy with lilli and smallpox and add one liliana because a turn 1 lilliana is about the nastiest thing you can do to anybody. Not to mention that in combination with all the land destruction she's a soft-lock all by herself.
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EMA



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Posts: 189

PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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By the time they have the mana up for something that costs 4 they'll already have an empty hand.


My main issue with inquisition is that it doesnt discard FoW.
But yes, the therapies ewre just bad because I never really wanted to sac my tokens, replaced them with thoughtseizes.

That's the final list, i think the maindeck is fine as it is, possibly 1 flagstones should be cut in favor of a basic swamp.
I never really got to test the sb because it's impossible to find someone that doesnt quit after g1 netdecking this list lol.

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
2 [MM] Plains (3)
3 [MBS] Swamp (2)
4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
4 [JGC] Wasteland
4 [U] Scrubland
4 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair

// Creatures
1 [MM] Nether Spirit

// Spells
3 [BRB] Swords to Plowshares
4 [B] Dark Ritual
4 [ISD] Liliana of the Veil
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
4 [M12] Smallpox
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (3)
4 [JGC] Sinkhole
4 [DKA] Lingering Souls
3 [AP] Vindicate

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [AL] Dystopia
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 2 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 2 [MI] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 [LG] Nether Void
SB: 1 [LG] The Abyss
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw if anyone is interested, the deck is surprisingly good.
Amongst the top tiers, I think the only unfavorable MU is high tide, with esper blade being annoying but i still think 50/50 if not slightly favorable, because their mana is just so bad vs wastelands+sinkholes+vindicates.

Changed the manabase to 5 swamps and 3 flagstones and it performs just fine.
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Spyx



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really need dark ritual? I've never been a fan of it in controlling decks like this, and it makes force of will better against you then it should be.
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ritual is just too good when it's in your opener, i think.
Ofc it's an awful topdeck but at least u get to discard it to pox or liliana.

p.s I use to sb them out for 4 leylines when I need to
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EMA



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Posts: 189

PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a last change, i removed the abyss (bad with souls) for a singleton Moat.

Tweaked the sb, this is the final list:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
1 [MM] Plains (3)
5 [MBS] Swamp (2)
4 [AQ] Mishra's Factory (1)
4 [JGC] Wasteland
4 [U] Scrubland
4 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
3 [TSP] Flagstones of Trokair

// Creatures
1 [MM] Nether Spirit

// Spells
3 [BRB] Swords to Plowshares
4 [B] Dark Ritual
4 [ISD] Liliana of the Veil
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
4 [M12] Smallpox
4 [FE] Hymn to Tourach (3)
4 [JGC] Sinkhole
4 [DKA] Lingering Souls
3 [AP] Vindicate

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of the Void
SB: 4 [M11] Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 [7E] Engineered Plague
SB: 2 [MI] Enlightened Tutor
SB: 1 [LG] Nether Void
SB: 1 [LG] Moat
SB: 1 [ALA] Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 [ISD] Stony Silence


If anyone is willing to test and put up results, it'd be awesome.
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EMA



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 189

PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brought the pile to a 20 ppl tourney yesterday night, lost in the semifinals despite never facing any of the good matchups!
Changed the manabase to zero mishra's, cut 1 vindicate and 1 lingering souls for 2 cursed scroll, added more basic swamps and 1 fetid heath, this way the mana finally worked smoothly.

p.s Last game of the swiss vs high tide on the draw I start with land, ritual, ritual, tourach, Liliana, followed up by a sinkhole. the opponent's face was priceless Very Happy
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