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GunsAndDope



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:43 am    Post subject: Will New Copyright Laws Affect ML? Reply with quote

While SOPA and other such laws getting tossed around American congress like a fragile boat on the seas on a mad God, I wonder what will become of ML. From American law, this site should be safe, after all, it's server isn't even in the States.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/248454/megauploads_owner_appears_before_new_zealand_court.html

The scary thing is, Megaupload was hosted in Hong Kong.

The US is starting to police the internet and governments are allowing it. Just some things to think about as the times be a'changin.
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Jacois



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh well, it was fun while it lasted. Guess we'll have to go outside to play. Sad
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Raybelfast



Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's because they had content hosted on stateside servers.
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Conkisstador



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys should know SOPA doesn't need to have anything to do with US except providing content that an American company creates...
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xJudicatorx



Joined: 27 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I can see in the linked article, SOPA had nothing to do with it. Just a case of America thinking it can police the world and NZ letting them do it.
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darkwizard42
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MegaVideo isn't dead yet...they can still fight back against the US government. I think the primary argument is that the creators of Megavideo knew there was copyright stuff loaded through their site and didn't do anything about it.

SOPA would make it your responsibility to police your own site to make sure you don't have copyright things on it. Megavideo got in trouble for admitting they knew about the copyright things and not doing about it...or at least thats what the US govt claims.
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Weedmonkey



Joined: 30 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If SOPA and PIPA were to ever pass, Magic-League would be dead, buried, kaput. WotC and Hasbro sure as hell don't like having us around (and I'm not going to debate the ethics of Magic-League's existence right here), and SOPA/PIPA would be able to force them to remove M-L from at least all US DNS servers. Even if they don't manage a full takedown under SOPA/PIPA, killing off the US audience would be enough to cause M-L to fold.
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Burton911



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well then they site just has to show that we are going to play Skat Tournaments, and therefore is only used for pairings and stuff.

It would still kill all the coverage and tournament stuff, and you would probably still have to shut down the Forum, put the tournament stuff should be more than legal even when facing SOPA.
(btw: link , it seems to be alright, at least for now. Lets just hope that this is (not only) a election motivated bandwagon move)
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GunsAndDope



Joined: 12 Jul 2011
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weedmonkey wrote:
If SOPA and PIPA were to ever pass, Magic-League would be dead, buried, kaput. WotC and Hasbro sure as hell don't like having us around (and I'm not going to debate the ethics of Magic-League's existence right here), and SOPA/PIPA would be able to force them to remove M-L from at least all US DNS servers. Even if they don't manage a full takedown under SOPA/PIPA, killing off the US audience would be enough to cause M-L to fold.


The ethics of ML's existence is: if you have paid for the physical cards, you should have the same cards in all other mediums. Therefore, logically, if anyone were to play a MWS game on this site without owning the cards they are playing with, they are solely responsible for the piracy.
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Top8eR



Joined: 03 Aug 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xJudicatorx wrote:
From what I can see in the linked article, SOPA had nothing to do with it. Just a case of America thinking it can police the world and NZ letting them do it.


Pretty much this. I think we should be asking if this will effect us less, and start thinking something along the lines of "If the US goverment is taking so much control it is shutting down mtg sites, should we probably stop them?"
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MassO



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magic-league the site will not be touched by these new laws, however it does affect sites that allow you to download copyrighted material. That being said, we will no longer be able to download mtg databases for MWS or the card images, which are all copyrighted.

Magic-league is basically a forum for the game and although it mentions card names, the site itself doesn't allow for any copyrighted material to be downloaded, therefore it won't be affected.

I don't expect Pipa and Sopa to actually pass the US congress, because these bills allow for the US government to censor what is on the internet, while also creating a file on every person that access the internet and logs their history, which is a violation of 1st amendment.

However, these bills will spawn new legislation that will pass and will be streamlined to only protect the companies intellectual property (copyrighted material). Although these bills are going into place to protect companies property and in essence their profits, this is going to kill thousands of companies. For example, Utorrent and all the other companies that provide sites for downloading files, MWS and Apprentice will be shut down, because the users of these programs will not be able to download the cards, and Wizards will not offer them on the cheap b/c it will force people to play on Mtgo. Also say good bye to Youtube and most of all the social media programs. Just to make you aware, if you film yourself singing a song (lets say anyone of the top 100 songs this week) and post it to YouTube or Facebook, you will be going to jail or fined under this new law.

Intellectual property needs to be protected, however these two bills go to far and violate the 1st amendment.
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derflippi
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever laws the USA pass will not affect what happens in Brazil, Sweden, Russia, Germany and the Netherlands.
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MassO



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CMA-Flippi wrote:
Whatever laws the USA pass will not affect what happens in Brazil, Sweden, Russia, Germany and the Netherlands.


Tell Pokerstars and all the other gambling sites that were being hosted outside the United States.

Ask Columbia if the US drug laws are effecting what they are doing down there, I know that we have US Troops, ATF and DEA down there now fighting that front.

Ask the USSR, Cuba and Peru, what happens when they violated the Monroe Doctrine, wasn't pretty.
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NahHolmes



Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are crazy. I love it when people try to talk about law online and it's obvious they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
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jmetzel



Joined: 18 Sep 2011
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good input nahholmes...very intelligent statement
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