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ishocrone



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:22 am    Post subject: WW Knight Tokens Reply with quote

Hi once again Testing a new deck
Played and beat UB control many variants of elderazi and some other builds. Brave the elements is a champ but i wanna try to make the curve a little better any ideas would be great ty.





Without Further Ado,




// Deck file for Magic Workstation
(http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
4 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
19 [SOM] Plains (2)

// Creatures
3 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [MBS] Hero of Bladehold
4 [ROE] Student of Warfare
4 [M11] Knight Exemplar
3 [ROE] Caravan Escort
4 [MBS] Leonin Skyhunter

// Spells
4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements
3 [M11] Honor of the Pure
1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument
4 [ARC] Everflowing Chalice
2 [ALA] Elspeth, Knight-Errant

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
SB: 3 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
SB: 3 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
SB: 3 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
SB: 4 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel

So I'll break down the deck here we go :p

Lets start with the knights


4 [MBS] Hero of Bladehold-
2ww for 7 damage great card problem is that it doesn't have haste and is often targeted or blocked but with a exemplar out is great vrs any deck.


4 [ROE] Student of Warfare-
I had problems vrs control over extending then having them wrath. So student of warfare is great just lvl up and swing away and hes a knight as well.

4 [M11] Knight Exemplar-
A BEAST problem he doesn't make himself indestructible so he dies to wrath effects and anything really I usually side out for mirran crusaders vrs UB control and other control decks

4 [MBS] Leonin Skyhunter-
2 CC 2/2 Flying Knight Nuff said great spot in deck and evasion is always nice.

4 [MBS] Accorder Paladin-
Took the advice on paladin problem is by him self accorder sucks so vrs other aggro decks your often waiting to get more creatures out but vrs control pretty decent a 3/1 knight and gotta love battle cry. I=


so 20 creatures knight of exemplar is a must in the deck the problem ive been having is the curve. I tryed making the deck as aggro as possible but its more a mid range atm.


Ok lets move on to supporting spells.


4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic-
Well stoneforge is really nice when I first made the deck I ran 5 equipment and it didn't go to well to slow not enough gas to win the game but with sword its nice now my question is should i run 1-2 more equipment in the deck O.o through testing id say no.



4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements-
GAME WINNER makes all my creatures unblockable and saves them from dying.

4 [M11] Honor of the Pure-
Now Ive been tempted so often to switch honor of the pure for mana excel since my only token producer is One creature and have some removal in this slot which would be nice Idk need more opinions.

1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine-
Untaps all lands is the main part to this card able to lay out your hand brave the elements ftw.

2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument-
well everyone knows why monument is just a game winner with the correct creatures

2 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel-
Comes in handy vrs RDW and makes tokens often than not though this card is dead in your hand.
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Lynolf



Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 546

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two words: Accorder Paladin. Mr. Green
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HujuVanikil



Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Posts: 173

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

didn't know alara cards were t2
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xJudicatorx



Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 696

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if this was t2 legal it would still be significantly worse than any deck running Signal Hawk and Stoneforge Mystic - not to mention 5 or 6 other mono white builds.
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Lynolf



Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 546

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xJudicatorx wrote:
Even if this was t2 legal it would still be significantly worse than any deck running Signal Hawk and Stoneforge Mystic - not to mention 5 or 6 other mono white builds.


This sentence in wrong in two things. Whoever gets to guess them right gets a cookie! Mr. Green
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ishocrone



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah my bad at not making it type 2 been working on the list a bit more. I'll be writing here soon a match break down and why i choose certain cards the main reason its knights instead of your normal build is because of ability to abuse knight exemplar the deck goldfishs kills all the time with beatdown and then brave the elements but im looking for more idea's to fine tune the deck.


// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
4 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
19 [SOM] Plains (2)

// Creatures
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [MBS] Hero of Bladehold
4 [ROE] Student of Warfare
4 [M11] Knight Exemplar
4 [MBS] Leonin Skyhunter
4 [MBS] Accorder Paladin

// Spells
4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements
4 [M11] Honor of the Pure
1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument
2 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
SB: 3 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
SB: 4 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
SB: 3 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
SB: 3 [MPR] Condemn

Heres the new list hope you like its more type 2 now also should i take out the stoneforge mystic for something else O.o
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Rikets



Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 45

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no lol but he works alot better when he has more than 1 target to search for...try to add more equipment and quest that should help
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Pushover



Joined: 15 Nov 2008
Posts: 58

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, quest is just a great card when you have lots of 3 drops.

Mirran crusader is also a knight, I'd think about adding the crusader in. A bonehoard might also do good for when you get clasm'd, since you can tutor with stoneforge.
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magicman85



Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Posts: 555

PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Needs moar artifact removal!
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ishocrone



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

engrishskill your the reason why people have stopped going on forums like m-l controlling. Second just play boros or WW quest better than knights haven't found a variation the point of leonin was cc of 2 and its a flying knight so idk i found myself just making a bunch of big creatures and then brave the elements for the win but at this point ww quest or boros is just better to play. So I'll post another deck here shortly thats GW tokens since Ive wanted to abuse hero of bladehold.
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blitzer2k7



Joined: 12 Jul 2007
Posts: 412

PostPosted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lynolf wrote:
xJudicatorx wrote:
Even if this was t2 legal it would still be significantly worse than any deck running Signal Hawk and Stoneforge Mystic - not to mention 5 or 6 other mono white builds.


This sentence in wrong in two things. Whoever gets to guess them right gets a cookie! Mr. Green
lol its squadron hawk not signal hawk rofl and clearly there arent 5 or 6 WW decks in t2.
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ishocrone



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So through testing the past days Ive winded up with this build. Emerged unscathed and brave are nice. Test the deck let me know what you think.


// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
21 [SOM] Plains (2)
4 [MBS] Contested War Zone

// Creatures
4 [MBS] Hero of Bladehold
4 [ROE] Student of Warfare
4 [M11] Knight Exemplar
4 [MBS] Leonin Skyhunter
4 [MBS] Accorder Paladin
2 [M11] Baneslayer Angel

// Spells
4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements
2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument
3 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel
2 [ZEN] Conqueror's Pledge
2 [ROE] Emerge Unscathed

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
SB: 3 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
SB: 3 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 3 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 3 [WWK] Refraction Trap





So theres the new list let me explain some card choices

The creature base is the same but i removed caravan escort for baneslayer and added emerge unscathed.



// Spells
4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements- Same reason as last helps vrs any deck to get the final points of damage over also can save your important creatures from being pwned.

2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument- Game over if this lands.

3 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel- Been testing elspeth tirel its third ability has won me many games and also the life gain is nice but being able to put 6 soldiers if it lasts through the next turn is very very nice.

2 [ZEN] Conqueror's Pledge- Vrs control very nice or any deck usually save this when i run out of gas and the board is even.

2 [ROE] Emerge Unscathed- This is used more to save your creature then swing for damage next turn really nice but I'm still stuck on finding another answer for removal.


SIDEBOARD:

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [WWK] Kor Firewalker- VRS red deck wins very close mu since they are faster than you game 1 usually goes to them after that you will win with this and refraction.
SB: 3 [MBS] Mirran Crusader- This card is a beast with pro and doublestrike awesome vrs any deck that runs black or red dir....
SB: 3 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension- Im stuck on running this havn't had it active once yet so I'm going to look for something else to help vrs the aggro MU
SB: 3 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker- CAN ANYONE SAY this card is amazing in your sb vrs jace or anything really
SB: 3 [WWK] Refraction Trap- How many decks run red alot now a days helps save your creatures and kills theres



Any ideas on the sb and also MD for supporting spells Ive got the creature base down I can move the baneslayers for something else but there nice vrs RDW g1.
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ishocrone



Joined: 16 Mar 2006
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

See very good points atm I'm more of a casual haven't played a fnm since Rav. Like I said before this is just testin for casual mini's and online play the contested I usually end up holding up till I have creatures on board but over testing and testing the deck is a fail Smile. Sure it will win games vrs RDW and eldrazi green and other aggro decks this deck does fairly well, but vrs Caw-Go it epic fails they can sit on a wrath or just get an active feast and famine going you lose.

The emerge has been nice in testing protecting my creatures to get set up for the necessary kill. Surprisingly Eldrazi Monument has won me so many games. I think I get the rogue factor though when playing vrs mediocre player. Often my kills come from brave the elements and eldrazi monument so through all my testing I am going to splash green get rid of the knight package and just go tokens ill keep you posted but great ideas it just isn't fast enough and has to many flaws if 2 of your creatures dies your top decking hoping for a bomb.


// Lands
21 [SOM] Plains (2)
4 [MBS] Contested War Zone

// Creatures
4 [MBS] Hero of Bladehold
4 [ROE] Student of Warfare
4 [M11] Knight Exemplar
4 [MBS] Leonin Skyhunter
4 [MBS] Accorder Paladin
2 [M11] Baneslayer Angel

// Spells
4 [ZEN] Brave the Elements
2 [ZEN] Eldrazi Monument
3 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel
2 [ZEN] Conqueror's Pledge
2 [ROE] Emerge Unscathed

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
SB: 4 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
SB: 4 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 3 [WWK] Refraction Trap- SO GREAT vrs red decks atm and if vrs caw with red very nice :p
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