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JustKenny



Joined: 28 Sep 2008
Posts: 103

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:52 am    Post subject: GWB Shank Reply with quote

// Lands
3 [ZEN] Swamp (3)
2 [ZEN] Forest (1a)
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket
2 [MBS] Inkmoth Nexus
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
1 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [ZEN] Plains (1)

// Creatures
3 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
1 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
4 [MBS] Mirran Crusader
4 [MBS] Phyrexian Crusader
4 [M11] Squadron Hawk
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [M10] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
2 [ROE] Gideon Jura
3 [MBS] Go for the Throat
3 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
2 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
2 [MBS] Bonehoard
2 [M10] Doom Blade
1 [MBS] Green Sun's Zenith

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Kor Firewalker
SB: 1 [M11] Doom Blade
SB: 4 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
SB: 3 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 3 [MBS] Leonin Relic-Warder
SB: 3 [MBS] Glissa, the Traitor


Most of the deck is self explanatory i am still experimenting with the sideboard but i like ratchet+Glissa I find that to be funny. It is hard to explain just how the deck works but if you play ur cards right and SB correctly there are no unfavorable match ups. It has rocked Green eldrazi monument 3-0 and went toe toe with UB control 3-2 also was stomped by Red Rebirth 4-0 before the addition of glissa and ratchet bomb in SB it is now 4-2. UW is iffy i need to work out a plan but i only lose when i am making bad decisions 7-4. And finally what ever you call the crazy URG deck that is running around dropping acidic slimes and lotus cobras--it raped me but i its not my deck at fault its my bad skills to blame, 4-1

i am just looking for some help thx
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gypsy



Joined: 15 Jun 2007
Posts: 1671

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

green suns zenith seems rly bad in this deck
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Magx



Joined: 07 Sep 2004
Posts: 452

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would drop the Black in this deck... You have enough good white removal (DoJ, Journey to Nowhere, Condemn from the top of my head)

I think the Phyrexian Crusader is not necessary (or even the Inkmoth Nexus)... I understand that you probably want an alternate win condition but I don't think it would be viable

If you insist of putting black in this deck, I would put Duress and/or Inquisition for this

Green Sun's Zenith is really bad as the other player said : you will go fetch what ? you only have 2 choices : Birds and Thrun...

I think the basic idea is pretty good, but I would put 4 Stoneforge Mystic in this deck

so, I would do a deck about like this
(I'll let you decide the mana base)

4x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Squadron Hawk
2x Thrun
4x Birds of Paradise
4x Kor Firewalker

4x Duress
4x Inquisition
4x Journey to Nowhere
4x DoJ
1x Sword of Feast and Famine
1x Sword of Body and Mind
1x Bonehard
2x Gideon
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ozmosis



Joined: 16 Jul 2010
Posts: 25

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dump the crusader and maybe add one-2 to side if you are hellbent on it. It looks like an attractive card but when it comes down to it, it will almost never stay in play long enough to have the desired effect. it is simply too vulnerable. 4 slots for something better imo.
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JA0



Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 52

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what crusader are you talking about? he has 2 in his deck...
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JustKenny



Joined: 28 Sep 2008
Posts: 103

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thx you all for the advice and the in depth detail and reasoning supporting it! I agree with almost all of you and think I was too attached to the "cute" stuff to see it myself. I do want to explain my reasoning for the green sun zenith. Like you all said my mana base is very janky so much so i need 5 birds in the deck for it to work. The GSZ lets me get a bird early and later helps me pull my "one of-Thrun". It sounds stupid but it has worked so far, I guess if i make the suggested changes i wont need to depend on birds as heavily though.
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Ninja87



Joined: 11 Apr 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I would like to see Glissa being played more often equip her with Sword of Vengence and you'll be trampling over everything and returning artifacts all the time..

I dunno, test it out and let us know?
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JustKenny



Joined: 28 Sep 2008
Posts: 103

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

/ Lands
3 [ZEN] Swamp (3)
2 [ZEN] Forest (1a)
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [ZEN] Plains (1)

// Creatures
1 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
4 [MBS] Phyrexian Crusader
4 [M11] Squadron Hawk
2 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [M10] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
4 explore
4 Quest for the Gravelord
4 [MBS] Go for the Throat
2 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
2 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
2 [MBS] Bonehoard
4 [ZEN] DOJ

// Sideboard
SB: 2 [M11] Doom Blade
SB: 4 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
SB: 3 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker

Ok I revised my list for fmn tonigh but am have a hard time with sb options any ideas?
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Jelin



Joined: 06 Jan 2011
Posts: 25

PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i realy like BWB for some odd reason and think it can be very competitive but i think u only need 1 of each equipment esp. bonehoard run an extra sword in the side just in case and vengevine is a vita creature for control match ups as well as thrunn 1-2 main 1-2 sb as well as venge.

4 BOP is plenty cuz with an added elf ur takin a good chance of hitting a 1/1 elf late game wen u couold use something else and i only play 2 doj with 3 journey and 3 go for the throat its pretty soliv vs creature match ups if anyone wants to add anything let me know
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AkYo



Joined: 06 Oct 2006
Posts: 259

PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey I like this idea =]
I was thinking more of Lotus Cobra w/ the 8 fetchlands 4 manlands and turn it into a modern version of the Junk deck.
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AkYo



Joined: 06 Oct 2006
Posts: 259

PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

// Lands
4 [RAV] Forest (2)
4 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
4 [OD] Plains (3)
4 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs

// Creatures
4 [M10] Baneslayer Angel
4 [5E] Birds of Paradise
4 [M11] Fauna Shaman
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
4 [M11] Squadron Hawk
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [ROE] Vengevine

// Spells
1 [MBS] Bonehoard
2 [ROE] Gideon Jura
3 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine

// Sideboard
SB: 3 [ZEN] Day of Judgment
SB: 1 [ROE] Gideon Jura
SB: 1 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
SB: 4 [MBS] Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
SB: 1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
SB: 4 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll


Here is the list I was testing with.. it is very solid actually surprisingly but I noticed I want to add 2 Sun Titans to the Main
possibly trim to 3 Baneslayers and 3 Lotus Cobra because they're not as relivent but for sure I like Fauna Shaman
it is very quick and even if you don't lotus into a big creature you always have that explosive start... For the sideboard .. I wanna take out Thrun or keep it as a 1 of .. I really want to try 3x Memoricide 1 Swamp in the board I'm sure it is good vs control decks or Valakut
I really like this and hopefully I can get some feedback on some ideas to add .. I was thinking maybe a tectonic edge or 2
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MarkovXII



Joined: 11 Jul 2005
Posts: 100

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i feel like every one is getting him to be slower when it seems like he wants to be aggro with a way to deal with him opp wiping the board (bonehoard and quest for the gravelord).

i like more thrun and maybe 1 green guy that kills artifact/enchantments when it comes into play, would go well with green suns zenith
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JustKenny



Joined: 28 Sep 2008
Posts: 103

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

/ Lands
3 [ZEN] Swamp (3)
2 [ZEN] Forest (1a)
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
4 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [ZEN] Plains (1)
1 Inkmoth Nexus

// Creatures
2 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
4 [MBS] Phyrexian Crusader
4 [M11] Squadron Hawk
3 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
4 [M10] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
4 explore
4 [MBS] Go for the Throat
1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
2 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
2 [MBS] Bonehoard
4 [ZEN] DOJ
1 Gideon

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Gideon
SB: 2 [SOM] Elspeth Tirel
SB: 1 Soran
SB: 1 Basilisk Collar
SB: 2 Consuming Vapors
SB: 3 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 4 Mirran Crusaders
SB: 1 Black Sun's Zeinith
I know many of you dissagree with the number of swords I run but
They are a must this deck needs that many and won't work without them period. I tryed to run 3 but it failed
I like the way it runs take it for a spin its a lot of fun.
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Jelin



Joined: 06 Jan 2011
Posts: 25

PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the list I have been playing its realy good but def. has some problems with Valakut

// Lands
3 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [SOM] Plains (2)
3 [MBS] Swamp (2)
3 [M11] Forest (2)
3 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
3 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket

// Creatures
2 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
4 [M11] Birds of Paradise
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
3 [ROE] Vengevine
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra

// Spells
2 [ROE] Gideon Jura
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
1 [MBS] Bonehoard
3 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
2 [M11] Day of Judgment
3 [MBS] Go for the Throat

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
SB: 1 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
SB: 1 [ROE] Vengevine
SB: 1 [M11] Day of Judgment
SB: 3 [M11] Celestial Purge
SB: 2 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
SB: 4 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 2 [MBS] Black Sun's Zenith

I never realy use the ratchet bombs maybe just a bad players decision i dont know but luminarich ascention = great
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AkYo



Joined: 06 Oct 2006
Posts: 259

PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jelin wrote:
This is the list I have been playing its realy good but def. has some problems with Valakut

// Lands
3 [ZEN] Marsh Flats
3 [SOM] Plains (2)
3 [MBS] Swamp (2)
3 [M11] Forest (2)
3 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
4 [WWK] Stirring Wildwood
4 [ZEN] Verdant Catacombs
3 [SOM] Razorverge Thicket

// Creatures
2 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
4 [M11] Birds of Paradise
4 [WWK] Stoneforge Mystic
3 [ROE] Vengevine
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra

// Spells
2 [ROE] Gideon Jura
4 [ROE] Inquisition of Kozilek
1 [MBS] Sword of Feast and Famine
1 [SOM] Sword of Body and Mind
1 [MBS] Bonehoard
3 [ZEN] Journey to Nowhere
2 [M11] Day of Judgment
3 [MBS] Go for the Throat

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [WWK] Tectonic Edge
SB: 1 [MBS] Thrun, the Last Troll
SB: 1 [ROE] Vengevine
SB: 1 [M11] Day of Judgment
SB: 3 [M11] Celestial Purge
SB: 2 [SOM] Ratchet Bomb
SB: 4 [ZEN] Luminarch Ascension
SB: 2 [MBS] Black Sun's Zenith

I never realy use the ratchet bombs maybe just a bad players decision i dont know but luminarich ascention = great



Inquisition seems really hard to play turn 1 and that is when it is at best.. I think you need at least 3 Fauna Shaman to actually utilize your vengevines also Luminarch Ascension is a terrible card in a format like this.. Enchant removal exists in control sideboards for the most part (white) but it really isn't that good with manlands in this meta (tarpit) anyway Memoricide will help with your valakut matchup and the thing with that matchup is you need to speed up your deck. Instead of Day of Judgement and Go for the Throat you want Hawks for card advantage so you can pitch to your Fauna Shaman Mad
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