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so just how much luck is involved in MTG??


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How much luck is involved in MTG
A)0%-20%
42%
 42%  [ 21 ]
B)21%-40%
34%
 34%  [ 17 ]
C)41%-60%
16%
 16%  [ 8 ]
D)61%-80%
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
E)THE WHOLE DAMN GAME IS LUCK!!
4%
 4%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 50

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FrostFire



Joined: 26 Jan 2010
Posts: 54

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:33 pm    Post subject: so just how much luck is involved in MTG?? Reply with quote

I am curious as to what most of you think.
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BlackPen



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Posts: 76

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I mostly play limited. Almost every game a lose i can backtrack to a mistake I made in play, sideboarding mistake,deck construction problem, or specific pick error in a draft. So not that much.
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McCOZE



Joined: 04 Feb 2010
Posts: 4

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well one thing i have noticed is most of players that do well at tournaments, do well consistently, i think it is because through preparation, not luck.
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kumagmd



Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Posts: 307

PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and if you play on M-L, luck doesn't amount to much. Experienced cheaters just search their library, stack the cards, and NOT shuffle afterwards, thereby effectively eliminating the luck factor.
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Ffancrzy
Level 1 Judge


Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 258

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Akelyma_ wrote:
Are you retarded! Everything you do is tracked in logs. If you're not paying enough attention, you deserve to be cheated. It is harder to cheat in MWS than it is in real life. In real life, you don't have scrolling white text telling you when your opponent does/does not shuffle, etc.

Damn, that was the stupidest thing I have read all night.

This.
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nopenopenope



Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Posts: 164

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Damn, that was the stupidest thing I have read all night.


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FrostFire



Joined: 26 Jan 2010
Posts: 54

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think there is a quite large element of luck involved. But I like how the votes are going. I plan to write an in depth article on this so more feedback is def appreciated.
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OldBear



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 1840

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Props for not going 0-20% 20-40% etc.

I think mechanics like cascade, cards like treasure hunt, much more powerfull cheaper creatures are all making the game more luck based than it use to be.

Limited formats are generally more skill intesnive but zendikar is so fast and unblanced in my opinion in terms of colour power, aggro vs control that its not all that great either.
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McBallin



Joined: 16 Feb 2010
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

70 to 80% is luck
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OldBear



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 1840

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course the better opponet, the bigger luck is a factor. Pro tours are more luck based than any other event as the players are the best and they make less mistakes and there is less room for outplaying than say a magic-league trial.

The people who believe it is all luck are the same people who tell you the casino always wins at poker people who dont have a clue what they are talking about.

A large thing with magic is the short time space you have to make your decisions in before you get a warning and eventual DQ for slowplay and how automatic play becomes. People make a ton of mistakes once they go into autopilot mode and often do not see them, this is a sympton of players who believe magic is mostly luck. They've reached a certain level and just stopped thinking about the game anymore.
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asamodious



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 362

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The luck factor of magic is really what your opening hand is. If you have to mulligan more then once because you get 1 or 0 land hands each time. Thats luck. Out of like 100 games on mtgo where my opponents have mulliganed to 5 or less im probably 98-2.

Another luck factor that always seems to annoy me is when you face a deck that has a bunch of 1 ofs (like a gifts deck for instance) And they draw the exact 1 card they need the turn before dying. Stuff like that is nothing skill based, and completely luck. Any example of drawing the exact card at the exact moment you need it is luck, i know that you probably used skill to set your self up to have that out, but its still luck to actually draw the card.

The skill factor imo tho, changes your winning percentage by like 10-15%. Meaning have a random guy making mistakes vs a guy that doesnt make mistakes...playing the same matchups. The person with the better play would win 10-15% more of the games.
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OldBear



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 1840

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.magic-league.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11534&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Take a read of this what's the play i did ages ago, no one got the play. I would not have made the play in normal tourni time but given a full amount of time could have worked out this was the best play.

For those of you who think little skill is involved in magic read this.

It was only done to demonstarte to people deductive reasoning as a skill in magic, very few of the people who replied demonstrated any use of it.

There was enough info for you to work out that A your opponent had cruel he was esper charming you when your at 5 cards eot, which would make no sense unless he had cruel as opposed to drawing card in this situation otherwise.

he has cryptic hes made the play with exactly 11 mana having only drawn one so far when the game has gone long.

No one even got this, which i thought people would. The play once you work out what they have in hand is then to actually counter the esper charm as it gives you more top decks, which really involves going against what would be a very obvious play otherwise.

took me 20 minutes of trawling the forums to find this god i talk about magic too much.
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Tao



Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 864

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much luck. Stop playing. You aren't lucky enough.
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OldBear



Joined: 12 Apr 2005
Posts: 1840

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I obv did or i could'nt ask the question, I would'nt have worked out to counter the esper charm in tourni time though. That is the part about going against the automatic play I would have gone shit he has cruel and cryptic and theres nothing i can do about it, rather than thinking does not countering the charm give me a better chance of winning.

This is the error most people fall into alot they stop questioning the play and do not even see the mistake.
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Sprouts



Joined: 15 Feb 2006
Posts: 101

PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont really get it. So in ur cruel control situation, you negate the esper charm because you assume he has cruel + command in hand. In that case, your opponent will cast the cruel, you will remain with the precious mind spring in hand, and simply wont be able to cast it in your turn because ur opponent will have 4 untapped lands and his command in hand. Maybe i misread something, but tell me if that is it.
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