Bant Ramp Serious Competitve

yokai · Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 56

// Lands
3 [ZEN] Island (1)
5 [ZEN] Forest (1)
4 [ZEN] Plains (1)
4 [ZEN] Misty Rainforest
4 [ALA] Seaside Citadel
4 [M10] Sunpetal Grove

// Creatures
4 [ZEN] Lotus Cobra
3 [ZEN] Rampaging Baloths
4 [ALA] Rhox War Monk
4 [M10] Baneslayer Angel
4 [CFX] Knight of the Reliquary
4 [ZEN] Emeria Angel

// Spells
3 [M10] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [ALA] Bant Charm
4 [M10] Rampant Growth
3 [CFX] Path to Exile

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [M10] Great Sable Stag
SB: 4 [M10] Negate
SB: 2 [CFX] Wall of Reverence
SB: 3 [ARB] Meddling Mage
SB: 2 [M10] Pithing Needle

It uses a lot the Landfall hability , Aggro decks are good match for this deck.
The unique decks thar are bad match is the URW planeswalker contrl with Luminarch Ascension and RW Control Luminarch's Based.

Any opinion?
The Side is variable with the ambient.

Cya

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 721

3 Telemin's Performance in the board completing rapes the URW deck. Add Nobles to the maindeck and try it.

yokai · Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 56

Pillsburry · Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Posts: 100

SB Dauntless Escort vs UWx (DoJ).

SoloRenegade · Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 106

Harrow > Rampant growth.

Instant speed, mills more land, drops 2 land for land fall, feeds Knight. Lotus cobras are great but noble is pretty sexy simply with the exalted even though it's a token deck.

Biggest issue with this deck will be DoJ. I love to run All 3 planeswalkers (Garruk/Elspeth/Jace) when I do bant to avoid this or you could do Escort instead.

I also find in this meta Negate is ALWAYS great mainboard. Stop Blightning, spot removal, DoJ, anything in control, slows burn.

yokai · Joined: 08 Nov 2008 Posts: 56

kumagmd · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 106

sir, you don't ramp up to really, REALLY good big casting-cost spells, which is really the point of ramping, isn't it? You could cut some of the non-essential creatures and put in big mana spells, such as Martial Coup (which destroys creatures as a bonus). Perhaps Trace of Abundance (cast as WG) would be better than the Lotus Cobra, it doesn't die to removal and would ramp up to 4 mana in turn 3 pretty nicely. Or remove the Cobras and put in the afore-mentioned Harrows. Perhaps the harrows instead of Trace, as if you start out with an island, you'd suck.

Your big mana spells should be immediate game-changers. Granted, Baneslayer does that, but Emeria Angel? Rampaging Baloths? They die right away to most removal (terminate, doomblade). Of course, right now you're leaning towards an aggro build, perhaps a more controllish build would be better suited for Bant?

I love the Ramp concept, though.

SugarShark · Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Posts: 458

bant mana bases are horrible
thats a good reason to have cobra and hierarch.

must be nice to draw both and drop a cobra and warmonk turn 2
thats like affinity

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 445

Elspeth is always good in your deck.

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 401

elspeth would be nice. you are missing the best ramp spell that only Bant can offer though.

Bushviper · Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 270

therorschach · Joined: 27 Mar 2008 Posts: 51

I think that Sphinx of Jwar Isle and Negate would make a great addition to this deck. Sphinx negates a lot of removal, and negate stops painful enchantments and global removal.

-2 Emeria Angel
+2 Sphinx of Jwar Isle

-2 Rampaging Baloths
+2 Negate

-4 Rampant Growth
+4 Harrow

-1 Garruk
+1 Elspeth

This maintains your original strategy but also gives you some threat diversity.

SoloRenegade · Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 106

emeria angels are hot in this deck, i wouldnt go below 3. The balloths arre cool but i always felt them over kill when testing and opted for a planeswalker. It allows the deck to have a more dynamic strategy rather than being so dependent on the current board of creatures you control. If you have elpseth, garruk, and emeria you have a lot of token generators and a few different strategies to use as well as having built in resistance to creature removal. Only thing i fear with planeswalkers is hexmage...but you do always get 1 free use of it no matter what still meaning it's CA.

I cant stress how awesome elspeth is. Starts with 5 counters makes it safe from most single card removal, tokens add up and later get used by garruk, the +3/+3 flying ability is great with lifelink creatures or simply making your baneslayer that much more devastating in combat.