Token question

Thicket · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 80

If I have a token creature out and someone wants to use Bant Charm (or I suppose any "bottom of the library" effect), how does that work? I mean, you cant put a token into your library. But then is the token completely immune to this sort of removal? Seems like as it's written, it would be. Because it doesn't say anything about destroying.

Really it seems like the mistake might've been not putting "non-token creature" on the card, but if that wasn't a mistake, how does that play out?

Merlknight · Joined: 30 Jun 2005 Posts: 2

It's not a mistake, and they are by no means immune to the effect. If a token would leave play it is destroyed. Its just part of the rules for tokens.

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 378

that's not true.
if a token goes to any zone other than the battlefield, it ceases to exist the next time the game-state checks for it. bant charm DoES put the token on the bottom of the library- and then it ceases to exist.

magryn · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 9

Conkisstador is correct,

If a token would be put anywhere other than the battlefield, it goes there just like any other card would. Then any triggers happen that look at stuff like that:

For instance if you have a Death Pact in play, and one of your zombie tokens dies, then it will go to the graveyard and the trigger for Grave Pact will happen but before the effect goes on the stack, state based effects will check to see if there are any irregularities in the game. As you pointed out having a token on the bottom of the library or in a graveyard is certainly an irregularity and as such the token will cease to exist by means of state based effects. Following this, the Grave Pact trigger will go on the stack and each other player will have to sacrifice a creature after each player has passed priority with the Grave Pact trigger on the stack.

thomasdm · Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Posts: 8

216.3. A token in a zone other than the in-play zone ceases to exist. This is a state-based effect. (Note
that a token changing zones sets off triggered abilities before the token ceases to exist.) Once a
token has left play, it can’t be returned to play by any means.

That's what I found =P

Vulpi · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 8

What happens if a token phases out ?

magicman85 · Joined: 22 Aug 2009 Posts: 36

If it phases out it is not in the play zone so I assume it would be removed from the game.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 477

1) Tokens are not removed from the game, they cease to exist. This has nothing to do with exile zone.

2) Phasing no longer causes card to leave the battlefield. You just treat them like they don't exist.

3) Tokens can't come back from being phased out. They cease to exist if they are ever phased out, just like if they left the battlefield.

chakal_rbn · Joined: 02 Mar 2009 Posts: 18

Simple like this, A token can only be on batlefield... Wink