T2 RDW needs help!

sergitknight · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 211

T2 Red Deck Wins, got the base down but it still needs some help to get over some obstacles like Vampires. No side board yet and can't afford the sac lands for RW. It's for FNM.

4 Goblin Bushwhacker
4 Hellspark Elemental
4 Ball Lightning
4 Jackal familiar
4 Goblin Guide
4 Hell's Thunder

4 Lightning Bolt
4 Burst Lightning
4 act of treason
4 Quest for pure flame

20 Mountains

Pillsburry · Joined: 17 Oct 2009 Posts: 100

needs earthquake.

styx^ · Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 66

Mark of Mutiny > Act of Treason.

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 107

Umm, since when has Jackal Pup been in standard? If it has to be monored bushwhacker Id ditch 4 quests, 4 mountains for teetering peaks and add 8 fetches. 24 land with 8 fetches and 4 cipt lands in deck like that souns fine. And of course instead of jackal pups Id play elemental appeals. If that jackal pup indicates that this is casual deck then there is much better options open.

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 107

Umm, since when has Jackal Pup been in standard? If it has to be monored bushwhacker Id ditch 4 quests, 4 mountains for teetering peaks and add 8 fetches. 24 land with 8 fetches and 4 cipt lands in deck like that souns fine. And of course instead of jackal pups Id play elemental appeals. If that jackal pup indicates that this is casual deck then there is much better options open.

:EDIT: Oh yeah its jackal familiar. And cant afford fetches hmm.. Well still Id take out 4 quests for 4 teetering peaks. 2 Mountains and 2 act of treason/mark of mutiny out for 4 elemental appeals. Maybe even take the last 2 act/mark for 2 siege-gangs.

Chachawa · Joined: 26 Oct 2009 Posts: 9

Needs Earthquake, Elemental appeal, Teetering peaks, maybe terramorphic expanse instead of the fetch (its kinda the same, only way to cheaper)

maybe for sb
manabarbs
magma spray
Mark of Mutiny

hope this was helpfull Razz

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 107

Forgot about magma spray, dont know about earthquake.. Rather run just Banefire/fireball, there us negate around after all and earthquake hurts yourself in mirror of sorts. Earthquake sb maybe. And expanse is sucky, its not even kind of fetch. You dont want more cipt tapped lands than teetering peaks. Peaks do something at least. Yea expanses thin but rather have untapped land in this deck than thin the deck marginally. Fetches would be great but if cant afford then so be it.

sergitknight · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 211

magicman85 · Joined: 22 Aug 2009 Posts: 61

If your going aggro in T2 I would go jund.

WarDogg · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 5

if he doesn't have the money for sac lands, what u think he has the money for jund?

Vedrfolner · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 2146

When the game goes longer than 6-7 turns, you WILL draw too much land. That is not even a part of deciding how many lands you are going to run. You cannot draw few enough lands in topdeck mode, so even a 58 cards 2 land deck will be "flooded" if it draws the second land at the wrong time.

You have 12 3cmc cards, and with only 20 lands you will find that you can play only that one spell that turn, something which is not good enough. You see, ideally you would want to spend ALL your cards by turn 5 because if you did, you have likely won the game. In order to do that, you cannot play only three and a half land on average in 11 cards (4th turn). You don't want to miss land drops until you are in topdeck mode.

In order to do that, you need 24 lands, but without fetches that is too much! You will have to live with waiting a couple of turns to lay the 4th land in order to avoid the starting hands with 3 cards 4 lands (if you draw the fifth you are doomed), so since 20 lands are too few and 24 too many, go with 22.

4 of them should be Teetering Peaks.

Also, 12 3cmc are way too many still. Go down to 2 Act of Treason and 2 Hell's Thunder. That leaves 2 open spots - for Elemental Appeal?

WarDogg · Joined: 06 May 2009 Posts: 5

3 teetering peaks is enough, don't want so many cipt lands to where u may have to mull a good starting hand

Knighted · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 55

sergitknight · Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 211

it's the mana base of jund that makes it hard to afford Sad