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Pillsburry
Joined: 17 Oct 2009
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 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: Why did WotC suddenly... |
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Why did WotC suddenly decided to make creatures alot better then they used to be back in the days ?
I think they did it because aggro decks are more expensive to make then control decks. So they want to push people to make aggro decks by making the creatures insane.
Let's take Upheaval (back in Odeyssey-Onslaught block) for exemple, it was a top control deck and was ~100$ or less to make.
Goblin deck (RB with Patriarch's Bidding) was ~300-400$.
What do you think? |
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Duodax
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Control decks are harder to play and many casual players are frustrated playing against counter decks and eventually quit the game, but WotC want to hinder exactly this progress. |
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jonproject
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Because things change. If things didn't change, things would get stale. And if things got stale, we'd stop wasting our money on magic. And if we stop wasting our money on magic, maro has to get a real job. |
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NahHolmes
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Well if you look back past Ravnica T2 Magic was usually dominated by one deck. It's easier to balance the game when most decks have to drop creatures to win and it's easier for less experienced players to make decks for a creature heavy meta.
Example If you look back past RAV at Worlds Top 8's you'll notice most of the top decks had things like Disenchant or other niche cards that were good against top tier decks, it's hard to make a meta call like that. When, for example, Cursed Scroll is instead Magus of the Scroll it's easier for newer players to deal with. The last thing Wizards wants is some kid sitting across from a control/combo deck where every card in his deck might as well be dead, and there have definitely been times in the past where that was a reality. |
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gypsy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| the price of cards has nothing to do with WOTC. i dont rly know how you can say aggro is more expensive than control. i dont see how goblin bidding is near 300$, but look at Wake compared to goblin bidding, look at UG Madness which played only 4 yavimaya coast as rares. |
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SJM
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsy wrote: | | the price of cards has nothing to do with WOTC. i dont rly know how you can say aggro is more expensive than control. i dont see how goblin bidding is near 300$, but look at Wake compared to goblin bidding, look at UG Madness which played only 4 yavimaya coast as rares. |
Yea, WOTC has no control over card prices. That's why Baneslayer and Lotus Cobra are $30.
Mythic rares lol.
WOTC would fail as a company if a deck could be competitive with less than 15 rares. They design decks and then release the cards to make them. They have taken an extremely authoritarian metagame control stance for the past couple of years. In fact, everything since Mirrodin block has been micromanaged from above. WOTC decides what standard decks will be good, not the players.
As for control, the whining casual scrubs finally got their way. It took over a decade but control is essentially dead now.
As for the comments on upheaval...
U/G upheaval played:
4 yavimaya coast
2 upheaval
uncommons/commons
Maybe a worship in the side or delusions of mediocrity. Super cheap to build, and it Q'd at least 2 people for nats and some others came close. Originated on an IRC/apprentice based league (the other league that was dominant before Magic-League took over). |
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gypsy
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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wotc doesn't decide the price of singles or make any money off of singles, the supply and demand of the card make it valuable. obviously wotc needs to make a product people are gonna buy or they would fail, they don't control the prices.
And how is control dead? every rotation people say this even when the best decks from the previous block format were control. at the begining of a new format aggro decks always win because there is no metagame yet, but when it becomes established the control decks win, it just so happens that wotc decided that creatures needed to be more powerful and since lorwyn they have been. |
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SJM
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| gypsy wrote: | wotc doesn't decide the price of singles or make any money off of singles, the supply and demand of the card make it valuable. obviously wotc needs to make a product people are gonna buy or they would fail, they don't control the prices.
And how is control dead? every rotation people say this even when the best decks from the previous block format were control. at the begining of a new format aggro decks always win because there is no metagame yet, but when it becomes established the control decks win, it just so happens that wotc decided that creatures needed to be more powerful and since lorwyn they have been. |
Mythic rares are less than 1 per box. Therefore, if you make a chase rare mythic, you drive sales automatically as people will be trying to build play sets of your super rare chase card.
I've opened 5 boxes of Zendikar and got 1 Lotus Cobra. I opened 2 boxes of M10 and got 1 Baneslayer. Had I continued buying M10 I'm sure I'd have found a similar ratio as with Cobras in Zendikar.
You're obviously young and naive to how businesses operate.
The ONLY goal of WOTC is to generate profits for its parent corporation, Hasbro. That is their ONLY purpose. Everything they've done since being sold to Hasbro clearly demonstrates their profit motive. |
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Tonya
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| SJM wrote: | | gypsy wrote: | wotc doesn't decide the price of singles or make any money off of singles, the supply and demand of the card make it valuable. obviously wotc needs to make a product people are gonna buy or they would fail, they don't control the prices.
And how is control dead? every rotation people say this even when the best decks from the previous block format were control. at the begining of a new format aggro decks always win because there is no metagame yet, but when it becomes established the control decks win, it just so happens that wotc decided that creatures needed to be more powerful and since lorwyn they have been. |
Mythic rares are less than 1 per box. Therefore, if you make a chase rare mythic, you drive sales automatically as people will be trying to build play sets of your super rare chase card.
I've opened 5 boxes of Zendikar and got 1 Lotus Cobra. I opened 2 boxes of M10 and got 1 Baneslayer. Had I continued buying M10 I'm sure I'd have found a similar ratio as with Cobras in Zendikar.
You're obviously young and naive to how businesses operate.
The ONLY goal of WOTC is to generate profits for its parent corporation, Hasbro. That is their ONLY purpose. Everything they've done since being sold to Hasbro clearly demonstrates their profit motive. |
Mythic rares aren't less than 1 per box, idiot. Also, if you want a certain card and you're just cracking boxes, you're an even bigger idiot because you expect to get them. Go to Ebay, click buy it now on a set of four and be done with it, while saving massive amounts of money. Everyone knows that cracking boxes is more for the fun of it, as well as hopefully getting a few cards you need and using the rest to build your collection/trade pool.
Also, no shit WoTC is in it to make money, but what business isn't? You're the naive one that is acting like any company coming up with ideas to generate more revenue from their customer base is evil. Overall, you're pretty much just an angry nerd, the end. |
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jonproject
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Also, no shit WoTC is in it to make money, but what business isn't? You're the naive one that is acting like any company coming up with ideas to generate more revenue from their customer base is evil. Overall, you're pretty much just an angry nerd, the end. |
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SJM
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Tonya wrote: | | Blah, blah I'm a retarded child. |
Let's see, where to start.
Less than 1 of each mythic rare per box. Check. You're wrong.
I never said I wanted Lotus Cobras, that was merely an example of the rarity of mythic rares. Lotus Cobra just happens to be the "chase" mythic in Zendikar.
Silly, silly little boy. I'm actually laughing at you right now IRL. Thanks for brightening up my evening. |
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SJM
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"the price of cards has nothing to do with WOTC."
My point was to counter this kid's argument.
Then additional children decide to get their commentary in.
Meh, I just got trolled by a triple team of nerdy teenage basement dwellers that work for minimum wage. |
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Tonya
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| SJM wrote: | "the price of cards has nothing to do with WOTC."
My point was to counter this kid's argument.
Then additional children decide to get their commentary in.
Meh, I just got trolled by a triple team of nerdy teenage basement dwellers that work for minimum wage. |
The guy complaining about money is calling other people out for working min. wage jobs and not making enough. right..... Mythic rares are not less than ONE per box. They are approximately one in every eight packs, aka 4-5 per box generally. If you're talking about getting multiples of one Mythic per box, well, you're just dumb. |
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magicman85
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| If they made the new creatures worse than the old creatures, then who the fuck would buy the new cards. |
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CrushU
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| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| SJM wrote: | | Tonya wrote: | | Blah, blah I'm a retarded child. |
Let's see, where to start.
Less than 1 of each mythic rare per box. Check. You're wrong.
I never said I wanted Lotus Cobras, that was merely an example of the rarity of mythic rares. Lotus Cobra just happens to be the "chase" mythic in Zendikar.
Silly, silly little boy. I'm actually laughing at you right now IRL. Thanks for brightening up my evening. |
I saw someone open two Lotus Cobras Saturday night from the same box. |
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