Three basic questions.

King_Joma · Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 4

Hey all, I have three easy questions that have been hindering some situations in my casual play. I haven't been playing long and I appreciate any help you can offer.

1. When playing 'Quest for ancient secrets' from Zendikar, if one player was to use for instance, Jace Beleren's -10 ability to mill twenty cards and also attack with two 'Nemesis of reason's, could the defending playing (who has Quest for ancient secrets in play) put on 5 tokens and sacrifice it saving them from running out of cards. Now, I should also mention that the player had less than 40 cards to discard.
So, would that card save them in that instance or how would that be played?

2. How do indestructible creatures work? Could one block a 'Lord of extinction' at 40-40 and live if it would otherwise get destroyed? How would one deal with an opponent with such an indestructable creature?

3. Just thought of another. Player A has a green with deathtouch. Player B has a creature with protection from green (not sure if one exists but for hypothetical purposes) would the protection from green cancel the deathtouch, or since deathtouch is a separate ability would that not matter?

Thanks for reading my book of questions. Thanks for all replies.

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 1009

1) If you attack with two nemesis of reason two mill triggers go on the stack. The defending player who has quest for ancient secrets can let one trigger resolve and put 10 counters on his quest, then he could choose to sacrifice it before the second trigger, or before jace. Remember that each ability can be responded to with saccing the quest.

2) indestructible creatures don't die from combat damage or destroy effects. If you have a 1/1 indestructible you could block a 40/40 and live.

3) deathtouch destroys when the creature does damage to something, but pro green prevents any damage from being done by green sources, so deathtouch won't work.

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 96

To 2) You can still kill indestructible creature by making your opponent sacrifice it somehow or removing it from game (aka exile it somehow) You can also bounce it, make it not to untap it anymore somehow (say sleep). Unless the creature with Indestructible also has Shroud (cant be target of spells or abilities)

To 3) If the creature had protection from green and opponent has only green creatures, protection from green creature cant be blocked. But in case you block deathtouch creature with protection from green creature deathtouch doesnt activate since it deals no damage. You could still kill the protection creature with global effect that desroys (say pro white + wrath of god)

Sarutobi · Joined: 21 Oct 2008 Posts: 18

There's an important way(for black) to solve 2) thats been missed.
Being indestructable doesnt save a creature from the zero(0) toughness rule. Put simply, if a creature in play ever has zero toughness, it's dead, and unless there have been a recent rules change that I missed, this happens as a state-based effect. i.e. the same way/speed as the legend(ary) rule, so your opponent can respond to your spell/effect that causes his creature to have zero toughness, but once it resolves he cant (really) stop it from being dead.

In other words, creatures with wither can kill indestructable ones.

King_Joma · Joined: 21 Oct 2009 Posts: 4

Awesome replies. It all makes perfect sense when you say it as you have.
Thank you all very much!

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 187

1) Why not let all the mill triggers resolve then pop the Quest? He won't lose simply by running out of cards. It's not being able to draw one that causes you to lose.

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 1009

he might have targetted draw spells that are instant he could use in response? better safe then sorry

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 187