Remember revealing your morphs

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: Remember revealing your morphs

Whenever a face-down creature (morphs) is put into a hidden zone (for example: hand, library) from a public zone (stack, in play) that creature has to be revealed before it changes the zone.

Examples:
Jimmy plays a morph creature. His opponent Jonny plays Remand on it. The morph would be returned from Stack to Hand. Since the Stack is a public zone, it has to be revealed.

Spikey has 2 morphs in play. His opponent Spookey then plays Evacutation. Both morphs have to be revealed, because they're returned from play (public) to hand)

Timmy has a morph in play. His opponent Tommy plays Temporal Eddy, to put on top of Timmy's library. He has to reveal it.

Note that if you don't follow this rule, you can get punished.

Not revealing a morph when you'd have to do that is a Game Play Error commited in a hidden zone, the DCI punishes that infraction with a Gameloss on all RELs.

On magic-league, we have a more casual testing platform.
On SingleMatches and in minis, a Warning will be issued (and entered in a database) and the player who didn't reveal has to do so now. However, Trials and Masters are competitive and we will inforce a Gameloss there.

Since many players don't know or didn't think about having to reveal their morphs, i made this post.

If you're playing Remand/Repeal on a morph, you can also help avoiding an infraction by reminding your opponents of this fact.

You could go like:
"Remand"
"and reveal please"

By doing that, you not only make your game go faster, you also make this place a more nice place to play when you help your opponent avoiding unnecessary procedural errors.

Thanks for your time.

KeySam · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 619

I already know this, but what i realy dont get is, that if you dont reavel a morph, you took a card from the player played the last game by mistake, you get an gamelose. But when you watch the finals of worlds i think it was 2005 and he untaps to seeborn muse(he could not) and plays a spell that takes a huge inffluence to the game) he just gets a warning. when you lose a game and when you just get a warning i dont get it realy.

TofuBoy · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 123

Did it win him the game without people noticing? If so then by current rules both players would be punished because they both failed to maintain the game state. I forget what exactly happens or the specific rule but I guess that's how that goes.

In your situation where you took a card from your opponent's deck by mistake you have no proof you did it accidently. You also caused your opponent to play with a short deck "by mistake." I'm not saying the person taking the card is a liar, but if he's a liar he could've done it on purpose. If (s)he's honest then (s)he could abuse the fact that people trust him/her.

KeySam · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 619

Ok first of all thx for the reply Wink

i first explained what happended, i just watched it yesterday again Wink

Mu ghazi glare vs Greater good,
Game 2 the glare player plays yosei while the greater good player also had 1 in play. so both die both skip their next untap step. He glare player has seeborn muse in play which would let him untap in the opponents untap step, but there isnt won so he shouldnt untap. In fact he did, he plays with the open mana an congregation at dawn and in his turn another yosei and locks the enemy down(something like this)... They also said it wasnt on accident so he only gets a warning.

Now what happended to me, Like i said i had a wrong card in my deck, i draw it, before i take it on hand i flip the card over(btw wrong color anyway), say this card doesnt belong to me, judge is called illegal deck list, game lose. I think its clearly that i never would get i card i cant play on purpose in my deck and then i also reveal it when i draw it?! i dont get how someone can say that was on purpose, i would have won the game even without any card anyway. I just think its a bit weird how they do the things with gamelose. I mean on the one side he makes a crucial mistake, and winning the game cause of it an he gets a warning, on the other hand an other player makes an mistake, which only would made his deck worse and he gets gamelose?!? But its not that bad nextime ill count my deck before every match Wink

mufl0n · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 61

Wrong deck is always gameloss.
But one question:
Opponent plays morph,i play repeal,he puts it to hand and doesnt reveal.So now you cant determin wheter the card he shows you was really the morph.The Opponent gets a gameloss?

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 10:36 am Post subject:

He would not play a non-face-down creauture usually, so you can assume that he indeed played a morph creature. If he didnt reveal for your Repeal, he has to reveal one and receives a Warning. We rule different to the dci since m-l is a testing platform (for minis and league matches).

In trials+, he gets a Gameloss.

bobo_es_god · Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 7

yep i got a game loss in a game i was going to win at states for not revealing a morph when i bounced it. fun times Smile

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 599

he didn't get punnished for it cuz there were judges sitting right there, the plays were doccumented, they could reverse everything. there basically shouldn't ever have to be a game loss ever in the top 8 of a competetive event irl

lennin · Guest

they didnt get penalised for it bc its the players responsibility to maintain game state

brottor · Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 439

mTk-Away · Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 86

lizardgod · Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 31

Isn't the difference between not revealing a morph, and untapping illegally something like....

not revealing a morph is illegal zone change

and

untapping is just failing to maintain game state.

Also i thought the new DCI penalty guide said that if an infraction occurs all judges do is apply SBEs so would they go back and make them show the card???

not sure just askin

EMA · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 52

Does the same rule apply to hideaway cards? If yes, it doesn't make sense to me

DoomBring3r · Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 436

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 508

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Hideaway cards are moved from a hidden zone to a hidden zone, and they remain in the hidden zone unless the conditions are met to play them via Hideaway. If the land they are hidden in is destroyed, they remain removed from the game, and they remain hidden.

So since they don't move from a public zone to a hidden zone, the same rules don't apply.