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xMechaShivax
Joined: 29 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:05 pm Post subject: Time Warp + Twin Cast |
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| OK pretty simple i think, My opponent plays time warp and then he twin cast's the spell. Does he get 2 extra turns? I was thinking not, because of Time Warp's Text. So, yes or no. |
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Akeldyma
Joined: 05 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, you do. |
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Akeldyma
Joined: 05 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, on a side note, if you cast Scute Mob, you win. |
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Huskie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| No, if you twincast it you only get one extra turn because it's the turn after this ONE. It specifically states you get the extra turn after this ONE turn, there for if you the ability stacks twice, the turns end up being the same turn. |
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AkYo
Joined: 06 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| two extra turns buddy ! |
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Shooter
Joined: 11 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| extra turns stack, so you get 2 extra turns |
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Akeldyma
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL @ Huskie |
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Conkisstador
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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any multiple instances of replacement effects (like takign another turn instead of passing it to opponent) will try to happen. the most recent effect will happen and all others will wait until the enxt possible instance.
if player A casts TimeWarp and play B Twincasts it at himself... the twincast will resolve first and create a replacement effect. then the original will resolve overlapping the first.
Player A will take another turn and then player B will take TWO turns. (the warped one, then the scheduled one)
side note: these turns COUNT as turns in 0-5 during extra time at your ptq- in case it ever comes up. |
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Clariax
Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Conkisstador wrote: | any multiple instances of replacement effects (like takign another turn instead of passing it to opponent) will try to happen. the most recent effect will happen and all others will wait until the enxt possible instance.
if player A casts TimeWarp and play B Twincasts it at himself... the twincast will resolve first and create a replacement effect. then the original will resolve overlapping the first.
Player A will take another turn and then player B will take TWO turns. (the warped one, then the scheduled one)
side note: these turns COUNT as turns in 0-5 during extra time at your ptq- in case it ever comes up. |
This is not correct. First of all, there's no replacement effect going on here. An explanation of how Time Warp, or other extra turn effects work:
The normal turn structure in a 2 player game (with players A and B) is {ABABABABABAB...}
Time Warp inserts an extra turn after the current one, so if player A resolves a Time Warp on his turn, the structure now looks like {AABABAB...}. If A resolves a second time warp, either copy, or plays another, you insert another turn after the current one, making it {AAABABAB}. Any time an effect says to take an extra turn after this one, just insert it in the turn structure following the current turn, and pushing everything else back. |
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DoomBring3r
Joined: 30 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Huskie wrote: | | No, if you twincast it you only get one extra turn because it's the turn after this ONE. It specifically states you get the extra turn after this ONE turn, there for if you the ability stacks twice, the turns end up being the same turn. |
1 + 1 = 2
Math is tech, i heard. |
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Hardtrack
Joined: 10 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Just to confirm Clariax is correct. It has nothing to do with replacement effects and multiple extra turns are cumulative. |
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Spyx
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah extra turns are cumulative. Works the same with Yosei, if 2 die at the same time 2 untap steps are skipped. That came up quite a bit during the old kamigawa greater good deck. |
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Vedrfolner
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| The logic behind it is that the second Time Warp has fully resolved only when he ends his turn and takes a new one. Technically, the first Time Warp has not fulfilled its required conditions at this point, since the game does not check for ended turns twice. The first Time Warp needs another turn ending in order to meet its conditions. |
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xMechaShivax
Joined: 29 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| could we get an administrator or league judge on this please. |
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Apos
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| i hate all those people who think that it doesnt work especial those who try to explain it...You Fail! End of story it works. |
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