Ugr Tron

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

also, what ModCounter said about people pointing burn or removal at it: Tarmogoyf just a hassle for them. i wouldn't play it turn two versus, say, a signet or a wall of roots so I can build my mana, but turn 3 that leaves me open to play a tarmogoyf AND have mana open for condescend/remand, which is rather brutal. also, zoo decks tend to chump and throw a lightning bolt/lightning helix at it, netting you some card advantage in the process. i was playing Tarmogoyf in the board, but you side him in for every matchup; he's really that good.

DoomBring3r · Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 436

Any deck that runs green, specially Control-ish decks should run Goyf, it's been said over and over for ages now;

There is no other creature that is solid or cost-efficient enough to match Goyf, period.

I disagree to a certain extent about playing him early, however, he will die to a Bolt if he's a 1/2, so perhaps turn 3 is better suited, since as you mentioned, you will have counter backup available.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1118

told you goyf was good in this deck Razz

how has the red been doing, now w/o firespouts i dont know if its needed, i geuss can explosive for 3 but if u cut it there are other replacements for grudge. and it would let you play less fetches which i never rly liked in tron.

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

honestly, the Affinity matchup is so damn bad that i need whatever i can get, explosives tends to just soak up whatever gets in under countermagic and a random treetop village. is there anything in blue or green that would hose affinity well?

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

i decided on cutting the red, and came to this list, which is really good. this deck has got me pretty excited over the possibility of Tron making a good comeback to Extended

3 Misty Rainforest
4 Breeding Pool
1 Ghost Quarter
1 Academy Ruins
2 Tolaria West
2 Island
4 Urza's Power Plant
4 Urza's Mine
4 Urza's Tower

4 Wall of Roots
4 Tarmogoyf
1 Grim Poppet
1 Sundering Titan
1 Mindslaver

2 Engineered Explosives
4 Condescend
4 Gifts Ungiven
4 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Remand
3 Simic Signet
2 Spell Burst
1 Life from the Loam

SB:
4 Great Sable Stag
3 Threads of Disloyalty
3 Hurkyll's Recall
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Tormod's Crypt
2 Kitchen Finks

DoomBring3r · Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 436

Been wondering, how will you deal with potential combo decks, like maybe Dragonstorm or so?

My suggestion is Voidslime, or Trickbind, since Stifle is out. Sad

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

i honestly haven't played against a single combo deck, even when i was testing this pre-rotation, so i didn't think they were going to be well considered. i figured countering a vital ritual/lotus bloom might stall long enough to race with Tarmogoyf or get Mindslaver online, but like i said, i haven't played against one, which doesn't feel right

skathe · Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 22

It just doesn't make any sense to me why people are still running tron and trying to play control with it instead of just playing tooth and nail. All of the stuff you're trying to do with tron mono green tooth or Gu tooth just does better.

Tooth and Nail for Iona, Shield of Esperia and Painter's Servant is a lock.

Not to mention if you play mono green you get good anti-aggro stuff like Sakura Tribe Elder and Vine Trellis (along with the already very good Solemn Simulacrum). You can still play with fetches and loam, but you also get sylvan scrying and reap and sow.

And, as the deck proved when it was legal in Standard, it's hyper resilient to disruption, often just hard casting darksteel colossus and/or sundering titan and ignoring the combo altogether.

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

because then you scoop to combo and any deck with countermagic? and i don't think the deck is anymore "hyper-resilient" to disruption than any other tron deck would, based on what you've explained to me.

gifts ungiven does what you want tooth and nail to do, for four mana at instant speed. you get mindslaver, academy ruins, life from the loam, and your missing tron piece and you just plain untap and win.

skathe · Joined: 09 Feb 2008 Posts: 22

jonproject:

jonproject · Joined: 22 Dec 2007 Posts: 250

oh wait.... i'm playing tron because it's a control deck that i enjoy playing. make a goddamn thread for Tooth & Nail if you love it so much.