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Ogle
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 Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: Fizzle? |
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anyone who can give me the definition of fizzle? i thought it was counter because of no taget...
please some help |
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gypsy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| fizzle is magic slang for a spell that is countered due to lack of target upon resolution |
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Ogle
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| gypsy wrote: | | fizzle is magic slang for a spell that is countered due to lack of target upon resolution |
good thank you.
so i have a really stupid question but it bothered me all night i couldn't sleep well.
If i play Last Word [2UU Last Word can't be countered. Counter target spell] for nothing end of turn or something like that, will it wait on stack to resolve or will the stack emptyt himselve to end turn, because it can't fizzle if fizzle is counter. |
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Clariax
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| Ogle wrote: |
If i play Last Word [2UU Last Word can't be countered. Counter target spell] for nothing end of turn or something like that, will it wait on stack to resolve or will the stack emptyt himselve to end turn, because it can't fizzle if fizzle is counter. |
Two problems here. First off, Last Word doesn't say "Last Word can't be countered," it says "Last Word can't be countered by spells or abilities." Countered on resolution due to no legal targets is not a spell or an ability, it is a game rule. Nothing prevents Last Word from being countered by the rules of the game.
Second, you cannot play Last Word without a target.
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Ogle
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Clariax wrote: | | Ogle wrote: |
If i play Last Word [2UU Last Word can't be countered. Counter target spell] for nothing end of turn or something like that, will it wait on stack to resolve or will the stack emptyt himselve to end turn, because it can't fizzle if fizzle is counter. |
Two problems here. First off, Last Word doesn't say "can't be countered," it says "Last Word can't be countered by spells or abilities." Countered on resolution due to no legal targets is not a spell or an ability, it is a game rule. Nothing prevents Last Word from being countered by the rules of the game.
Second, you cannot play Last Word without a target. |
kk ty |
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Ffancrzy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| IIRC in the newer Comprehensive rules they don't even use the phasing "counters" I forget the exact wording but it means the same thing without using the term "counter". |
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IberianWolf
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:08 am Post subject: |
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just to clear things up, "fizzle" is not an official game term, as far as I know. it just means that a spell or ability is countered because of no legal targets or something along those lines.
I also use it when a combo deck goes wrong and "fizzles", not getting enough for the kill. |
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Trotsky1
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fizzle is also a slightly disappointing rapper. |
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Vedrfolner
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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I think using the word "counter" to explain what happens when a spell fizzles may be confusing.
Simply put, "fizzle" means that a spell or ability that is on the stack does not resolve, for some reason other than it being countered by a spell or ability.
The most common reason is that a spell's target has become illegal after the spell was announced. If that happens, THE SPELL IS NOT COUNTERED! That is something completely different.
A countered spell does not fizzle, and a spell that fizzles is not countered.
Hence, if Last Word's target is countered by another spell in a counterwar or something, it will fizzle. |
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Hardtrack
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Eh. the CR wants a word with you:
607.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s moved out of the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions. |
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Clariax
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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The spell most definitely does get countered. As I previously stated, it gets countered by the game rules. In the rules there is no such term as "fizzle." "Fizzle" is an informal/obsolete term for "countered on resolution." Anything that cares about a spell being countered (see Multani's Presence) will see a spell that's countered on resolution as being countered.
| Vedrfolner wrote: | I think using the word "counter" to explain what happens when a spell fizzles may be confusing.
Simply put, "fizzle" means that a spell or ability that is on the stack does not resolve, for some reason other than it being countered by a spell or ability.
The most common reason is that a spell's target has become illegal after the spell was announced. If that happens, THE SPELL IS NOT COUNTERED! That is something completely different.
A countered spell does not fizzle, and a spell that fizzles is not countered.
Hence, if Last Word's target is countered by another spell in a counterwar or something, it will fizzle. |
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