Grixis Control Beats Fae And 5cc

jdio88 · Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 64

I Finally made a grixis control deck ( with the help of M10)
that i can say is now better than fae and 5cc...
24x Lands
1x graven cairns
2x sunken ruins
2x cascade bluffs
2x crumbling necropolis
2x vivid creek
1x vivid craig
2x vivid marsh
6x island
4x swamp
2x mountain

2x Creatures
2x Nemisis of Reason

2x Jace Beleren
4x Broken Ambitions
3x Cancel
3x Essence Scatter
3x Cryptic Command
2x Haunting Echoes
3x Mind Funeral
3x Volcanic Fallout
1x Cruel Ultimatum
3x Agony Warp
3x blightning
2x Mind Shatter
3x Ponder

15x Sideboard
2x Though Hemorrhage
3x Flash Freeze
2x Telemin Performance
3x Infest
3x Twincast
2x Anathenmancer

This deck is very solid, and does and what it represents...
Counters till late game, then weakens them to no hand, then decks them. The only trouble it has against is W/W and Kithkin, hence why I put the Infests in s/b, to get rid of BFT, then fallout there creatures... I was thinking of putting in doomblade for agony warp, but you get a 2 for 1 with the warp, where as i only get a 1 for the doomblade, plus it kills BFT.

Nemisis is the only creature I run because it is very hard to kill, and by the time I cast it, I have enough counter to let it live... I usually cast it when Control is either tapped out, or when I have at least 9 mana to counter a cryptic in response to casting with another cryptic, cancel, or broken... preferably broken, as I have a chance to mill them.

Haunting Echoes i such a broken card in this deck, because by turn 5, ive blightninged, mindshattered, or mind funeraled, and they already played spells, so it decks them to where they give up all hope.. against any deck, by turn 3, B/W tokkens casts spectral, then ajani, and turn 5 i counter cloudgoat, leading to my turn 5 getting rid of any of there win cons... 12-16 out of 24 win cons pretty much= GG

I tried paying liliana in this deck, but shes too slow for it... and chandra, no way... this deck needs room for counter and discard, and what better counter than twincast? i mean, someone at FNM banefired me for 10, putting me at 1, and I double twincasted it for game, lol... he threw his deck down across the table, it was funny.. any ways, the sideboard is pretty stable as well... I was thinking about taking out Telemin performace for oona, but telemin is just another late game mill card, and I get a creature as well...

Was iffy on the whole flash freeze thing, but with all the RDW builds and G/W tokken builds I saw at FNM, im pretty sure i made the right choice... was gunna put in negate, but the synergy is thrown off a little bit...

But ya, this is the deck, it seems very competitive, and maybe even pro qualifier material... like i said, i went 2-0 against fae, and 1-0 draw against 5cc... so this is very good in my opinion... against aggro, its got an 80% win range but W/W only 60% because its too fast and there mana costs are low... Yes, you may critique and holler your dissagreements, but i am always open for suggestions, but for now, i think i will keep this deck the same till i see what zendikar has to offer...

optcn · Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 11

still think doomblade would be better in this deck since the only time you 2 for 1 with agony warp is when you have a nemesis of reason in play. and even then there arent many creatures that have 7 power or more and 3 thoughness or less (power of the nemesis)

six · Joined: 19 Apr 2008 Posts: 70

not running 4 cryptic command is a mistake.

DoomBring3r · Joined: 30 Apr 2009 Posts: 436

Delicious · Joined: 08 Jun 2007 Posts: 818

i think you are going to want to go with more 4-offs for consistency.

4 cryptics, 4 essence

You also have no way to gain real card advantage until cruel. You need to run esper charm or a set of mulldrifters for some more cards.

I also think decking as a win condition is very shaky. if you don't hit things perfectly with your deck and make them discard early,. your deck doesn't have enough power to stay around.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 1271

how does this beat fae, your dead to turn 2 blossom

Duodax · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 168

i play 4 fallout main and still lose to fae on ocassions...

Ggerg · Joined: 04 Sep 2005 Posts: 613

there is absolutely no way you beat fae. sorry.

side note: why the hell do people keep insisting that they beat fae almost solely on the fact that they play 4 volcanic fallout?!?! that's just ridiculous. stop it people!

totolcc · Joined: 08 Mar 2009 Posts: 28

since u'r going w/ grixis and you're using a 3cc counter (cancel 1UU) why not some double negative instead? its still 3cc and can be used nicely against cascade...

then i would advice to play like:

2x Jace
4x Broken Ambitions
4x Cryptic Command
3x Double Negative
2x Haunting Echoes
3x Mind Funeral
4x Volcanic Fallout
1x Cruel Ultimatum
3x Agony Warp
4x Blightning

2x Nemesis of Reason
4x Mulldrifter

The essence is the same, it becomes more stable, and the mulldrifters are really strong here, they let u draw to cruel and echoes and provide a great body to chump block...

Makuherra · Joined: 02 Jul 2008 Posts: 4

Is there any deck nemesis of reason doesnt beat? Surprised

jdio88 · Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 64

Thanks you guys, I really appreciate all the comments on this subject, and the only reason i am not running 4 of cryptics is because im still waiting for my 4th promo foil to come in for a play set... as for the draw, I will try out mulldrifter this friday at FNM and see how it works... double negative sounds great for this deck, especilly against fae being that they have low counter spells, especially on as spellslutter dike... lol.. ne ways, i will actually try double negative instead of cancel, and i guess proxy another cryptic to see how it works... but thanks for all the advise!

jdio88 · Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 64

jdio88 · Joined: 06 Nov 2008 Posts: 64

ik · Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 316

gluedman · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

jdio88- your reasoning of beating fae is highly flawed.

They never ever have to tap out on their turn after turn two. So I am not sure why you think you are going to resolve your overcosted threats.

Infest is just not the kind of answer that a good faeries player is worried about at all.

This is the type of control deck that fae preys on.