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KeySam



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 624

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Bloom Cascade Reply with quote

Heres a deck which i build today and i had some quite nice games with it, let me now what you think.

// Lands
1 [US] Plains (4)
2 [LRW] Vivid Marsh
4 [LRW] Vivid Grove
3 [LRW] Vivid Creek
2 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
2 [IN] Forest (3)
4 [CFX] Exotic Orchard
3 [LRW] Vivid Crag

// Creatures
1 [ALA] Mosstodon
4 [ARB] Enlisted Wurm
4 [EVE] Bloom Tender
4 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf
4 [ARB] Kathari Remnant

// Spells
4 [ARB] Stormcaller's Boon
4 [SHM] Umbral Mantle
3 [ARB] Bituminous Blast
1 [ARB] Violent Outburst
2 [LRW] Primal Command
4 [ARB] Ardent Plea

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [MOR] Bitterblossom
SB: 4 [TE] Rain of Tears
SB: 4 [SHM] Fulminator Mage
SB: 3 [CH] Boomerang



Basic idea is to cascade into tender and Umbra Mantel at which point you can make the tender infinite big and sometimes get infinite mana(be aware of mana burn before m10 but you have quite some ways to run your mana through, or just do it in the attackstep if your sure your opponent cant remove it)[you also got some ways to make tender evade then]. Secondary plan is to get cascade beatdown going and it works pretty well, umbra mantle isnt that bad even if you just give your guys
+2/+2 and vigiliance for 3 mana. Tennder can accelerate like no other and stuff like Enlisted wurm into primal command into enlisted wurm can easily close a game quickly. Also the ardent pleas arent only insane on turn 3 into a tender but they also add up quickly. Last but not least you can give your guys flying to push through the last points and bloodbraid elf should be clear.

Why play this deck over swans you ask? I think the secondary plan is just better and you dont get draws where you just get lands and nothing else.


The sideboard isnt actually tested at all i always just let the combo in(even against faeries and i won somehow[although he played a bad version])

The ld plan should be pretty clear and i wanted to test the bitterblossoms against faeries to make your deck play bitterblossom and ld to top it and of course the other fatties, while siding out the combo.

Comments are wellcome, but dont forget that the cascade beeing permanents is actually better because of tender.



KeySam
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wiltstorm



Joined: 13 Nov 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know it would suck cascading into, but you might try a single banefire?
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Egnirys



Joined: 31 Mar 2005
Posts: 158

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or something like Shivan Hellkite where you can use infinite mana for burn without actually having X in the card's mana cost. You need something faster than Hellkite though, I don't know if such card exists.
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totolcc



Joined: 08 Mar 2009
Posts: 28

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

instead of the banefire, why not some cruel ultimatum? nothing cascades into it, and all the effects produced are great in a deck that produces a lot of mana... u draw three cards, and return the creat card u want from the graveyard... seems a nice fit...

I like this combo... maybe i'll do a deck of my own to fit it in Very Happy
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KeySam



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 624

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys notice that i play mosodon right, i can search him up via primal command and give my guys trample.

You cant play banefire in this deck, because you want to make sure you 3 mana cascade spells hit bloom tender.

Shivan hellkite is fine i guess, i just prefer the trampling because i am always able to get green mana with bloom tender (to play him if i can get infinite mana) and give trample, if your opponent has removal he usual doesnt let you get to the point where you can do infinite mana anyway. Maybe if i find something similar to kyte for green Wink

Cruel is just a bit expensive, i guess its effects are nice but well, i dont see the point in playing it.

KeySam
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GnikXela



Joined: 21 Jun 2006
Posts: 102

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only thing I could find for green that would be good with infinite mana would be helix pinnacle.
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Duodax



Joined: 29 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which fails due to Cascade.
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r3wind



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 1254

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where's the Mulldrifters? I think that would be clutch. It's never bad and gives you something good to do on turn three if you are not comboing off. Also very good while in combo mode to give you more steam. One Tidings as a random could be used.
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SniperMayer



Joined: 31 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Bloom Tender has infinite power, why don't you try Soul's Fire?
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FreeBird



Joined: 04 Aug 2007
Posts: 38

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would take out any cascaders above 3 cmc and then play Lavalanche as a secondary win con.
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DoomBring3r



Joined: 30 Apr 2009
Posts: 436

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SniperMayer wrote:
If Bloom Tender has infinite power, why don't you try Soul's Fire?



Cascade into Soul's Fire without creatures in play = Fail



Besides, a 3+ card combo is bound to fail, imho.
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KeySam



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 624

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DoomBring3r wrote:
SniperMayer wrote:
If Bloom Tender has infinite power, why don't you try Soul's Fire?



Cascade into Soul's Fire without creatures in play = Fail



Besides, a 3+ card combo is bound to fail, imho.


Like Project x? No but "only" having a infinite power guy and putting out tons of cascade stuff usualy gets the job done you would be suprised Wink

I thought about drifter i am just not sure it does enough.

If i would play another i will kill you card then mosstodon it has to be a creature, best would be that it is green, has to be above 3 cc and should be better then mosstodon when i just draw it, the rest is bad because of cascading into it and not being able to primal command and play it in any giving situation where i have infinite mana(i cant always make other color.) Btw i can actually give my bloom tender flying with stormcallers boon if you didnt saw that.

I like the random Tidings seems fine have to test that.

Thanks for all replies.

KeySam
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DoomBring3r



Joined: 30 Apr 2009
Posts: 436

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With all honestly m8, but there is only room for a combo deck in the current metagame, and that is Swanscade.


I do not believe your Bloom Tender + Umbral Mantle deck would be successful at all, mainly because it is much easier disruptable.

But if your goal is to dominate Mws (lol) and some Casual environments, then by all means, you are on the right track.
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KeySam



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
Posts: 624

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already stated swans and the difference of this deck. Of course your entilted to your opinion but simply stating 3 card combos are automaticly bad is not right. But enough of that i would like some suggestions instead of discussion if a deck is viable or not.
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Finntroll



Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 16

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mirror Entity would be better than a majority of the suggestions here, but I'm not sure if he's better than the Mosstodon plan since Mosstodon won't mess with your 4cc cascade spells. What are your thoughts on the Entity KeySam?
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