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FiReBLT



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Posts: 297

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: ALA-CON-ARB Draft help Reply with quote

Hey guys, I know a few of these threads have popped up recently, but I was wondering if any of the picks I made here were less than optimal.

I got to the finals of my draft, and lost to another esper deck, but I'm happy on the whole with how it went.

Thanks in advance!



------ ALA ------

Pack 1 pick 1:
Ridge Rannet
Courier's Capsule
Akrasan Squire
Bone Splinters
Jungle Weaver
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
Esper Panorama (FOIL)
--> Oblivion Ring
Esper Panorama
Hindering Light
Jungle Shrine
Tower Gargoyle
Angelic Benediction
Caldera Hellion
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 2:
Tortoise Formation
Lush Growth
Kathari Screecher
Incurable Ogre
Esper Panorama
Executioner's Capsule
Carrion Thrash
Vithian Stinger
Gift of the Gargantuan
Fire-Field Ogre
Jund Battlemage
Swerve
--> Master of Etherium
Mountain

Pack 1 pick 3:
Sighted-Caste Sorcerer
Bloodpyre Elemental
Tortoise Formation
Carrion Thrash
Cloudheath Drake
Glaze Fiend
Esper Panorama
Obelisk of Naya
Gift of the Gargantuan
--> Arcane Sanctum
Blood Cultist
Dragon's Herald
Mountain

Pack 1 pick 4:
Druid of the Anima
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
Yoked Plowbeast
Resounding Wave
Soul's Might
Knight of the Skyward Eye
Resounding Scream
--> Cancel
Drumhunter
Necrogenesis
Cunning Lethemancer
Plains

Pack 1 pick 5:
Savage Hunger
Hissing Iguanar
Steelclad Serpent
Marble Chalice
Resounding Roar
Outrider of Jhess
Obelisk of Naya
--> Windwright Mage
Jund Panorama
Scourge Devil
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 6:
Jungle Weaver
Hissing Iguanar
Vectis Silencers
Deathgreeter
Dispeller's Capsule
Volcanic Submersion
Relic of Progenitus
Soul's Might
--> Rockcaster Platoon
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 7:
Bloodthorn Taunter
--> Angelsong
Obelisk of Jund
Cathartic Adept
Shore Snapper
Rip-Clan Crasher
Sphinx's Herald
Mindlock Orb
Mountain

Pack 1 pick 8:
Undead Leotau
--> Bant Panorama
Obelisk of Grixis
Spell Snip
Soul's Grace
Lush Growth
Grixis Battlemage
Island

Pack 1 pick 9:
Ridge Rannet
Jungle Weaver
Esper Panorama (FOIL)
Esper Panorama
--> Hindering Light
Angelic Benediction
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 10:
Tortoise Formation
Lush Growth
Carrion Thrash
--> Gift of the Gargantuan
Swerve
Mountain

Pack 1 pick 11:
Tortoise Formation
Glaze Fiend
--> Gift of the Gargantuan
Dragon's Herald
Mountain

Pack 1 pick 12:
Soul's Might
Resounding Scream
--> Cunning Lethemancer
Plains

Pack 1 pick 13:
--> Savage Hunger
Marble Chalice
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 14:
--> Soul's Might
Swamp

Pack 1 pick 15:
--> Mountain

------ CON ------

Pack 2 pick 1:
Parasitic Strix
Aven Trailblazer
Kaleidostone
Ember Weaver
Toxic Iguanar
Goblin Outlander
Court Homunculus
Worldly Counsel
Might of Alara
Salvage Slasher
Manaforce Mace
View from Above
--> Path to Exile
Sphinx Summoner
Plains

Pack 2 pick 2:
Darklit Gargoyle
Unsummon
--> Armillary Sphere
Kranioceros
Suicidal Charge
Constricting Tendrils
Court Homunculus
Molten Frame
Infectious Horror
View from Above
Countersquall
Elder Mastery
Scepter of Insight
Swamp

Pack 2 pick 3:
Zombie Outlander
Darklit Gargoyle
Wretched Banquet
Esper Cormorants
Brackwater Elemental
Suicidal Charge
Maniacal Rage
Rotting Rats
Vagrant Plowbeasts
--> Esperzoa
Sludge Strider
Worldheart Phoenix
Swamp

Pack 2 pick 4:
--> Faerie Mechanist
Absorb Vis
Sylvan Bounty
Aven Squire
Pestilent Kathari
Rhox Bodyguard
Wandering Goblins
Might of Alara
Valiant Guard
Ancient Ziggurat
Master Transmuter
Mountain

Pack 2 pick 5:
Sylvan Bounty
Canyon Minotaur
Traumatic Visions
--> Zombie Outlander
Kaleidostone
Quenchable Fire
Tukatongue Thallid
Lapse of Certainty
Shard Convergence
Scornful Ęther-Lich
Forest

Pack 2 pick 6:
Canyon Minotaur
--> Esper Cormorants
Unsummon
Vedalken Outlander
Absorb Vis
Vectis Agents
Molten Frame
Rhox Bodyguard
Shard Convergence
Plains

Pack 2 pick 7:
--> Parasitic Strix
Bone Saw
Salvage Slasher
Goblin Outlander
Constricting Tendrils
Tukatongue Thallid
Asha's Favor
Hellspark Elemental
Forest

Pack 2 pick 8:
--> Parasitic Strix
Kaleidostone
Court Homunculus
Worldly Counsel
Might of Alara
Salvage Slasher
Hellkite Hatchling
Island

Pack 2 pick 9:
Toxic Iguanar
Goblin Outlander
Court Homunculus
Worldly Counsel
--> Salvage Slasher
View from Above
Plains

Pack 2 pick 10:
--> Unsummon
Suicidal Charge
Constricting Tendrils
Court Homunculus
View from Above
Swamp

Pack 2 pick 11:
Darklit Gargoyle
--> Brackwater Elemental
Suicidal Charge
Rotting Rats
Swamp

Pack 2 pick 12:
--> Sylvan Bounty
Wandering Goblins
Valiant Guard
Mountain

Pack 2 pick 13:
Lapse of Certainty
--> Scornful Ęther-Lich
Forest

Pack 2 pick 14:
--> Vectis Agents
Plains

Pack 2 pick 15:
--> Forest

------ ARB ------

Pack 3 pick 1:
Sangrite Backlash
Gorger Wurm
Leonin Armorguard
Architects of Will
Fieldmist Borderpost
Vedalken Ghoul
Sigiled Behemoth
Violent Outburst
Grixis Sojourners
--> Ethercaste Knight
Zealous Persecution
Intimidation Bolt
Wall of Denial
Predatory Advantage
Forest

Pack 3 pick 2:
Fieldmist Borderpost
Putrid Leech
Colossal Might
Pale Recluse
--> Thopter Foundry (FOIL)
Jund Sojourners
Captured Sunlight
Breath of Malfegor
Etherium Abomination
Skyclaw Thrash
Sigil Captain
Tainted Sigil
Spellbreaker Behemoth
Plains

Pack 3 pick 3:
Sangrite Backlash
Gorger Wurm
Leonin Armorguard
Architects of Will
Vedalken Ghoul
Sigiled Behemoth
Violent Outburst
Grixis Sojourners
--> Ethercaste Knight
Kathari Remnant
Vengeful Rebirth
Mage Slayer
Island

Pack 3 pick 4:
--> Crystallization
Architects of Will
Cerodon Yearling
Deny Reality
Offering to Asha
Godtracker of Jund
Igneous Pouncer
Esper Sojourners
Grizzled Leotau
Gloryscale Viashino
Stun Sniper
Plains

Pack 3 pick 5:
Architects of Will
Cerodon Yearling
--> Offering to Asha
Godtracker of Jund
Igneous Pouncer
Esper Sojourners
Grizzled Leotau
Lorescale Coatl
Dragon Appeasement
Vedalken Heretic
Swamp

Pack 3 pick 6:
Naya Hushblade
Shield of the Righteous
Mayael's Aria
Plains
Soul Manipulation
Demonic Dread
--> Offering to Asha
Firewild Borderpost
Singe-Mind Ogre
Lorescale Coatl (FOIL)

Pack 3 pick 7:
Monstrous Carabid
Rhox Brute
--> Wildfield Borderpost
Sigil of the Nayan Gods
Vectis Dominator
Brainbite
Shield of the Righteous
Nulltread Gargantuan
Swamp

Pack 3 pick 8:
Morbid Bloom
Plains
Captured Sunlight
Magefire Wings
Trace of Abundance
Marrow Chomper
--> Mistvein Borderpost
Monstrous Carabid

Pack 3 pick 9:
Leonin Armorguard
Vedalken Ghoul
Sigiled Behemoth
Violent Outburst
Grixis Sojourners
--> Zealous Persecution
Forest

Pack 3 pick 10:
--> Captured Sunlight
Breath of Malfegor
Etherium Abomination
Sigil Captain
Tainted Sigil
Plains

Pack 3 pick 11:
Vedalken Ghoul
Sigiled Behemoth
--> Violent Outburst
Grixis Sojourners
Island

Pack 3 pick 12:
Cerodon Yearling
--> Offering to Asha
Godtracker of Jund
Plains

Pack 3 pick 13:
--> Godtracker of Jund
Dragon Appeasement
Swamp

Pack 3 pick 14:
--> Shield of the Righteous
Plains

Pack 3 pick 15:
--> Swamp
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asamodious



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Posts: 362

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well i stopped reading as soon as you took oring first pick...

hellion is a bomb...u should never pass it.

heck...tower gargoyle is better then oring..


very bad pick.
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P_P4E



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Posts: 579

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helion is a bomb, and you could have had about 12 playables for a naya deck as opposed to 7 for an esper deck. You lost to the deck you passed, btw.

Also you took faerie mechanist over master transmuter...What were you thinking exactly? In no circumstance is mechanist better, plus transmuter is worth money. You made in my estimation 12 bad picks, or what I would consider bad picks. I'll elaborate.

Pick 1 should have been helion, but i think O-ring is better than gargoyle first pick.

Cancel isn't great, or even good. You could have taken resounding wave or splashed for Necrogenesis. If you went with naya, well. then there are 4 good cards

You picked hindering light over a panorama. Hindering light is a sideboard card 90% of the time.

I think Sphynx summoner is the pick. You can get master of etherium!

Traumatic visions > zombie who isnt an artifact and might taple anyway

Court Homunculus > salvage slusher

Court Homunculus > Unsummon

Darklit Gargoyle > Brackwater elemental

anything first pick > Ethercaste Knight

Spellbreaker Behemoth (3 tix? or whatever) > Thopter Foundry (might table in that pack)

Architects of will > offering to asha

Soul Manipulation > offering to asha (obviously?)

Etherium Abomination > Capture Sunlight
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dv8r



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Posts: 239

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

as you've seen with trotsky's drafts, I'm more than willing to give you extensive advice and feedback, but I simply refuse to just look at your draft and say "you def. made the wrong pick here" without at least you putting in some effort and saying what was going through your head each time
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OldBear



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Posts: 1840

PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay i'll give it a go

pack 1 pick 1 yes it should be the caldera hellion

were going to ignore that for the rest of the draft though rather than going on about it, as i see alot more wrong than just the first pick.

pick 2 the master of etherium is only good in esper decks and then only some he can be quite average in others both the stinger and the e-capsule are better picks master of etherium is bot that much of a bomb, I would have took the capsule

pack 1 pick 4 okay we have an o-ring an e-capsule and arcane sanctum, there is no way we should be taking cancel this pack, we can easily splash either the ring or the capsule, my pick would be the necrogenesis

pack 1 pick 5 Weak pack it does not like esper is going to work out do not really want to be taking windwright mage 5 pick, with my last pick I take the jund panorama

pack 1 pick 6 the good red keeps coming time to move into red hissing igunar

pack 1 pick 7 weak pack again but the crasher is easily the best card in it good job we moved into red.

pack 1 pick 8 I find i never play undead leotau anymore agree but for different reasons on the bant panoram Im still looking to splash that o-ring

pack 1 pick 9 with the direction your going you want the panoram not the hindering light, I would take the jungle weaver

Okay summary of pack 1 you commited yourself to a shard far to early and when the cards did not come, you did not get out of it. You should expect a good pack 2 as there is almost no way anyone you were feeding could have even contemplated going esper, but the most powerfull set of the three is reborn as its all multi colours so your getting the worst of things. However one solid booster can sometimes be enough.

Im now going to completelt ignore what I just picked and act as though i picked like you did for pack 1.

pack 2 pick 1 im fine with either the summoner or the pte they are both really good.

pack 2 pick 4 yes pick the transmuter

pack 2 pick 5 im fine with this sanctum and sphere plus bant panorma were looking okay for fixing we still have alot more time to pick up more and this is a house vs green which is bant, naya and jund so very good infact.

pack 2 pick 11 the pick is the darklit gargoyle

good pack 2 as expected, pack 3 should not be so good im not very acustom to drafting reborn yet but im gonna give it a go anyway.

pack 3 pick 1 yes the knight is not the pick, wall of denial and zealous persecution are all better, maybe even the aquitects, now as we are almost ceratin the person passing to us is in esper possibly bant still not much better we can not really afford to priortize fixing here, he should pass it probably as he most likely took the fixing we passed pack 2 I would take the persecution

pack 3 pick 2 thopter foundry is awsome even more so with master of etherium id take it over the spellbreaker

pack 3 pick 3 I think this pick is fine as we lack 2 drops

pack 3 pick 5 the aquitects of will is better

pack 3 pick 6 soul manipulation is the pick

pack 3 pick 8 and now we have more than enough fixing that we do not need to worry about our mana base

pack 3 pick 9 wow that tabled its a ridic powerfull trick


I think you were lucky to make finals, as you ended up in the wrong shard even ignoring the first pick. Ending up in the wrong shard in this format is disasterous and is why I do not place too much value on the first few picks, the person next to you was in atleast 2 prob 3 of your colours. Thankfully pack 2 was kind to you and you drafted it well. I do not think you did a good job of pack 3 either but I know little about this atm so i could be wrong and entirely understand your pretty new to drafting the third pack your not going to get everything right.

I would'nt be disheartened by this, like Dv8r said a little more input into your thought process would have been nice, but its nice to see someone else doing draft walkthrough's they are a great way to get better if you take the time to listen to what people are saying, Id love to see more.
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FiReBLT



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Posts: 297

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, first off, I would like to say thank you to all of you for the comments - it's been really really useful, and I'd like to thank you all again.

I'll be drafting again tonight, so I'll see how things go then, and I'll post the draft up with a pick-by-pick analysis.

I had no idea I was so terrible at drafting, but I'm very new to it, so it figures ^^".

I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me pick over irc while I draft? Or is that sort of thing taboo?

My aim really is to just get good enough at drafting to have a shot at 'going infinite'. I know I'm nowhere near that atm, but it's a goal Smile


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Zoom



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Posts: 142

PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

p1p1=caldera hellion. wrath effects are great in limited.
p1p2=i prefer executioner's capsule here, since it allows more flexibility.
p2p5=you are mainly uw at this point, so you probably won't be dropping this outlander t2. i would go with traumatic visions, or kaleidostone. you took esperzoa over cormorants pick 3, and kaleidostones are needed to justify that pick.
p2p9=court homunculus
p2p10=court homunculus
p2p11=darklit gargoyle
These last 3 picks are to help with the mana curve. You did not get fed very good esper in pack 1 after the second pick, so we can't count on getting blades or shield mages in pack 3. Best to get the cheap drops covered while we can.
p3p1=i actually agree with this pick. you need this 2 drop and like i said, based on what we saw pack 1, i don't think you're going to see many more.
p3p6=soul manipulation. just a better card by miles.
p3p10=the abomination isn't that abominable.

The key thing is to stay flexible early. Pay attention to what you are getting passed, and be ready to switch. Swithching to the deck you're being fed makes the most out of packs 1 and 3. Try to imagine what the person you are passing to is going to take from the pack after your pick. That will help you set up pack 2.
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