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stone_d
Joined: 19 May 2006
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 Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: MD deck cards to improve swans matchup (Jund Ramp) |
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Hey, since the new swans cascade deck is a pretty bad matchup (except if I have double pulse) I'm looking for some answers to it. Preferable a creature that can be tutored with primal command.
Any ideas?
My sb:
I currently sb in +3 anathemancer, +4 mind shatter and +1 thought hermorage.
And take out -1 profane command, -2 fall out, -2 colosus, -2 jund charm and -1 loxodon warhammer.
I only play 1 thought hermorage because mind shatter can be sbed in against more different decks and thought hemorage only Swans and Lark.
My current decklist: (I don't really need critisim on my deck if it has nothing to do with the swans matchup)
// Lands
3 [LRW] Forest (4)
4 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
1 [ALA] Mountain (2)
3 [EVE] Twilight Mire
1 [TSP] Swamp (4)
4 [ALA] Savage Lands
3 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
3 [10E] Treetop Village
1 [SHM] Graven Cairns
1 [OV] Karplusan Forest
1 [10E] Llanowar Wastes
// Creatures
4 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
2 [ALA] Broodmate Dragon
2 [LRW] Cloudthresher
1 [LRW] Shriekmaw
2 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
// Spells
4 [LRW] Fertile Ground
4 [ARB] Maelstrom Pulse
2 [10E] Loxodon Warhammer
2 [CFX] Volcanic Fallout
2 [ALA] Jund Charm
1 [LRW] Profane Command
2 [LRW] Primal Command
3 [10E] Mind Stone
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [10E] Treetop Village
SB: 3 [ARB] Anathemancer
SB: 4 [MOR] Mind Shatter
SB: 3 [EVE] Snakeform
SB: 2 [10E] Razormane Masticore
SB: 1 [ARB] Thought Hemorrhage
SB: 1 [ARB] Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund |
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Triggers
Joined: 08 Sep 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Why not just up the thought hem to 4?
I mean, you should be able to cast it on turn3 with a TON of different hands... just muligan effectively and it should be easy.
just thought hem for seismic assault.. and they can only rely on the man lands and swans its self, which you should be able to handle... |
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stone_d
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Triggers wrote: | Why not just up the thought hem to 4?
I mean, you should be able to cast it on turn3 with a TON of different hands... just muligan effectively and it should be easy.
just thought hem for seismic assault.. and they can only rely on the man lands and swans its self, which you should be able to handle... |
Because the hemorage is usually only for the swans matchup and I prefere some more versatile sb cards.
And more importanly even if I thought hemorage Turn 3. The swans deck SB's out a part of their combo usually and SB in countryside and such.
And I think mind shatter turn 3/4 does a very good job to. + I'm starting to think pithing needle > thought hermorage
Anyways why I'm looking for MAINDECK anser to swans cascade except for pulses and hoping they fail. |
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BigJoo
Joined: 31 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Hemorage is great for the Lark match up as well. So upping to 4 shouldn't be so bad. |
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stone_d
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| BigJoo wrote: | | Hemorage is great for the Lark match up as well. So upping to 4 shouldn't be so bad. |
Yes, but the mind shatters are good in the mirror and BW tokens and Lark and Swans. |
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P_P4E
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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| stone_d wrote: | | Triggers wrote: | Why not just up the thought hem to 4?
I mean, you should be able to cast it on turn3 with a TON of different hands... just muligan effectively and it should be easy.
just thought hem for seismic assault.. and they can only rely on the man lands and swans its self, which you should be able to handle... |
Because the hemorage is usually only for the swans matchup and I prefere some more versatile sb cards.
And more importanly even if I thought hemorage Turn 3. The swans deck SB's out a part of their combo usually and SB in countryside and such.
And I think mind shatter turn 3/4 does a very good job to. + I'm starting to think pithing needle > thought hermorage
Anyways why I'm looking for MAINDECK anser to swans cascade except for pulses and hoping they fail. |
More hemmorage. It is good in multiple matchups. End of thread. |
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SugarShark
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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any sort of underworld dreams or spiteful visions will do the trick, though if swans takes Seattle there will be maindeck enchantment kill to deal with it if there isn't some already.
everlasting torment does the same |
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stone_d
Joined: 19 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Wow... I'm not asking for cards to sb in. I was just wondering if someone knew a card that I can play maindeck that will improve the matchup.
So unless ur advicing me to play everlasting torment or hemmorage main... |
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Bushviper
Joined: 07 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Terminate kills swans and is far from usless in other matchups |
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Triggers
Joined: 08 Sep 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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they can win even if you try to terminate the swans....
YES we're telling you to MD thought hemorage if you have that much trouble.. as it is decent in all matchups if you know what your doing |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Thoughtseize. |
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RavensEffect
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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I think the whole point everyone is trying to say to you is that maybe you SHOULDN'T main deck cards against Seismic Swans. Yes, it might have won in Barcelona, but that doesn't mean everyone and their mother is going to be playing it. If you're so worried about playing completely that deck, then maybe you should maindeck some of the "sb" cards, ala Thought Hemorrhage, everyone suggested. Any kind of naturalize effect(maybe Wickerbough Elder?) sideboard for the Seismic, and Terminates for their Swans and/or sb Countryside Crushers, and you automatically just won the match. Swans is so easy to play against if you're planning on playing against it, but when it comes out blazing as a surprise deck like it did at Barcelona, watch out.
Also someone suggested Thoughtseize, I agree with that idea too. |
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SugarShark
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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unless you use hate you'll get run over.
no amount of thoughtseizes or scullers will help
or you could play faeries/bant
Last edited by SugarShark on Tue May 26, 2009 3:37 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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totolcc
Joined: 08 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:48 am Post subject: |
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run 2 MD naturalize... In the current meta theres always some useful way to use it... And with all the usefull things in jund i always loved Threaten effects, it may come usefull against swans... (or maybe not  ) |
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aceben3
Joined: 28 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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They will usually play Assault first, so instant speed removal for Swans just makes them discard another land. There isn't really anything else you can maindeck besides the 4 Maelstrom Pulse. Thoughtseize, miser's Wickerbough Elder, and Pithing Needle are all worse than the cards you're already playing.
This is what you get for playing a green deck.
4 Mind Shatters is too many though. Wickerbough Elder and Naturalize or an LD sideboard could be good. |
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