Blood Moon + Shocklands

sup3rm4n · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 81

Blood moon + Shocklands ..

With blood moon in play the shocklands retain the subtype correct? Its a basic mountian in addtion to whatever its subtype is?

Ludz · Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 79

They turn into mountains, so a Temple Garden can only tap for red mana. It's no longer a forest/plains.

sup3rm4n · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 81

Ludz · Joined: 29 Feb 2008 Posts: 79

sup3rm4n · Joined: 13 Oct 2006 Posts: 81

str8 · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 29

He is not wrong. The shock land will only make red. Its a nonbasic land, so it will become a mountain. A terrible mountain that you would have to pay 2 life for it to come into play untapped.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 506

Hey, it could be a worse mountain. You might not get a choice as to whether or not it comes into play tapped, and when it does you might have to return another land you control to its owner's hand. o_o Now, wouldn't that *suck?*

SuperDelfin · Joined: 24 Sep 2008 Posts: 24

The important this is Supertype - Subtype. Bloodmoon changes the Subtype of a nonbasic land to a Mountain, but the Supertype remains the same.

Klos · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 49 Location: Germany

so what about the life loss from the shocklands when blood moon is in play. they r just mountains so u play them as mountains, so they dont come into play tapped ?

DARKING · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 76

They do comes into play tapped unless you pay the 2 life. This is because the ability that makes them comes into play tapped works AS IT COMES INTO PLAY, when Blood Moon still does not affect them.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 506

Blood Moon only affect the subtypes of a land, which are things like Forest, Urza's, Locus, Swamp, etc. They're always behind the dash.

Types, like Enchantment, Creature and Artifact are not affected. Seat of the Synod is still an artifact land and Dryad Arbor is still a land creature. It will also not affect supertypes, like Snow, World and Legendary. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is still legendary and Highland Weald is still snow.

If an effect grants a subtype (without keeping the old ones), it removes all rules text from the card and the land can only tap for the appropriate amount of mana. Swarmyard can no longer regenerate, Blinkmoth Nexus can no longer turn into a creature and Temple Garden can no longer tap for green or white.

The ability that makes lands come into play tapped however is a replacement effect of it coming into play. That applies before Blood Moon does (and removes all the rules text). Therefor you will still need to pay two life to get Temple Garden to come into play untapped and Treetop Village will still always come into play tapped.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 506

Clariax · Joined: 16 Jan 2006 Posts: 56

KevinJonas · Joined: 20 Feb 2009 Posts: 75

so wat happens with blood moon and dual? is land?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 506

Coming into play happens in three stages, usually in this order (yes, there are weird exceptions and effects that depend on each other which can change this):

- Replacement effects of it coming into play: I come into play tapped.
- Continuous effects: Blood Moon says I'm a Mountain now!
- Triggered abilities: What triggered abilities? Since I'm a mountain now, I have no triggered abilities.

So a Karoo like Golgari Rot Farm will come into play tapped, as a mountain, without triggering any CiP abilities (since it doesn't have them any more).