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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Basic Burn |
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Lands
23x Mountain
Creatures
4x Demigod of Revenge
3x Ashenmoor Gouger
3x Ashenmoor Liege
3x Hell's Thunder
3x Boggart Ram-Gang
2x Deus of Calamity
2x Pyre Charger
1x Flameblast Dragon
Other
4x Flame Javelin
4x Puncture Blast
3x Jaws of Stone
3x Fiery Bombardment
2x Firespout
Side Board
4x Smash to Smithereens
3x Everlasting Torment
3x Hord of Boggarts
2x Guttural Response
2x Torrent of Souls
1x Hamletback Goliath
opinons are welcome ^_^ |
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Circa
Joined: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 228
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I really like Fiery Bombardment... I would go something like:
// Lands
18 [ARE] Mountain (3)
4 [UL] Ghitu Encampment
// Creatures
2 [MOR] Countryside Crusher
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
4 [FNM] Mogg Fanatic
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [SHM] Boggart Ram-Gang
4 [SHM] Ashenmoor Gouger
// Spells
4 [EVE] Puncture Blast
4 [EVE] Fiery Bombardment
4 [REW] Incinerate
4 [SHM] Flame Javelin
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 3 [SHM] Firespout
SB: 4 [LRW] Lash Out
SB: 4 [SHM] Fulminator Mage |
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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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good god, halve that stuff that i had is gone from what you said...
cards i dont have:
Ghitu Encampment
Countryside Crusher
Mogg Fanatic (i have 1)
Figure of Destiny
Boggart Ram-Gang (i have 3)
Fiery Bombardment (only 3)
Incinerate (i dont think i have any)
Vexing Shusher
Firespout (only got 2)
Lash Out (1 or 2)
Fulminator Mage (traded them all DX)
but thx for the suggestions. this deck wins turn 6 when i play test it. |
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Circa
Joined: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 228
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Turn 6 isn't too good. and I assumed this was for MWS, where you have access to any card you need. |
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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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not thins deack, i biult it with my own cards this time anyways.
turn 6 is realy good for me, every one around me plays realy slow controle, and if you come out fast you can win esily. |
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Circa
Joined: 26 Dec 2005
Posts: 228
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, no doubt. But, if you're playing here, might as well use all the cards you want, 'cause everyone else is. |
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R3wind
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Posts: 975
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyroclasm is better in RDW then Firesprout. You really need to be able to kill flying tokens. |
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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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ya, i cant play here, cant get things running right.
but anyways i dont have any pyroclasms either.
but if i was playing oin here, i'd be using a lot of other things than this deck list. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1443
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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a tip: make the best build of the deck idea you got, then get the cards for it.
There is no possible way for anyone in here to help you, since you didn't disclose the cards you got or eventually could get if you could trade or buy some rares.
If you wanted praise or other opinions, I could give them to you but it won't be too helpful if you are not inclined to get the suggested cards.
Basically, compare your decklist to a fully tested, optimized list of mono red aggro (rdw) and you will realize that:
A. Ashenmoor Liege's pump ability is useless in your deck. And it is a bad creature.
B. Deus of Calamity is a bad creature too, and way too slow if you want to kill by turn 6
C. Pyre Charger sucks.
D. Flameblast Dragon... I don't even bother finding out what it does, because I am sure it costs at least 6 mana and is a big flyer with some ability. Is it that one which deals damage to creature or player? Nevertheless - it is completely useless in this deck.
E. Puncture Blast is nice vs Chameleon Colossus and Kitchen Finks, but other than that it is bad. Use Incinerate instead.
F. Jaws of Stone isn't as good as Blaze, and Blaze is bad in this deck.
G. Fiery Bombardment is only good when you kill the opponent with it. Before that it is useless. It is a bad card
H. Firespout is defense. You don't need defense.
I. You have no 1-drops
J. You have two 2-drops if Fiery Bombardment is excluded as it does nothing as a 2-drop. And Pyre Charger sucks.
K. you have 17 3-drops if the burn is included. 19 with Firespout.
So here is what I suggest:
Add 8 1-drops
You may add 4-8 2-drops but there are few good ones available. I have seen good rdw builds without 2-drop threats (but that is because they have Figure of Destiny).
Use max 8 3-drops, excluding Flame Javelin
Use 4 Demigods
Use 4 Incinerate
Use 4 Flame Javelin
Use 4 Magma Spray or Shock
Use 24 lands, 4 could be Megaliths
The rest is up to you. |
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OJPrime
Joined: 19 Apr 2008
Posts: 17
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| i don't think megaliths are legal anymore, i think he means encampment |
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Spyx
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
Posts: 885
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| play fanatic and maniac if you can't afford figure. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1443
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| yeah encampment of course |
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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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jess man, you make me fell bad when you say halve my deck list sucks.
| Quote: | | A. Ashenmoor Liege's pump ability is useless in your deck. And it is a bad creature. |
I wan't using it for it's pump abbility, i was uing it for 1: the 3 red mana sympoles, and its a 4/1 to use a i like, and if it gets targeted, they lose 4 life. its better than u give it creadit for.
| Quote: | | Deus of Calamity is a bad creature too, and way too slow if you want to kill by turn 6 |
ya, its slow, but its big for back up, and with Firey Bombardment, it'll hit for 5.
| Quote: | | C. Pyre Charger sucks. |
Not realy,turn 2 drop that hits when its droped and then you can pump it. and with firey Bombardment, it'll hit for 2 anyways.
| Quote: | | Flameblast Dragon... I don't even bother finding out what it does, because I am sure it costs at least 6 mana and is a big flyer with some ability. Is it that one which deals damage to creature or player? Nevertheless - it is completely useless in this deck. |
Ya, thats for if it gets to latter game, but it's easily cut for something else.
| Quote: | | E. Puncture Blast is nice vs Chameleon Colossus and Kitchen Finks, but other than that it is bad. Use Incinerate instead. |
and every one where i play runs one or both of them... but i can go hunt down some incinerates.
| Quote: | | G. Fiery Bombardment is only good when you kill the opponent with it. Before that it is useless. It is a bad card. |
bad card? no no, this is one of the alternat win conditions in this deck, and its built around it. Its an extreamly good card, i've one turnements with it.
| Quote: | | H. Firespout is defense. You don't need defense. |
what about kithkin and such? souldn't i have some mass removel?
| Quote: | | I. You have no 1-drops |
Working on getting some mogg fenatics.
| Quote: | | J. You have two 2-drops if Fiery Bombardment is excluded as it does nothing as a 2-drop. And Pyre Charger sucks. |
agan, i like pyer charger, its not all that bad, it gose goos with firey bombardment.
but the rest i'll take into alot of consideration, there's a lot of cards that i need to get my hands on... a lot of uncommons for some reson...[/quote] |
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asamodious
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
Posts: 140
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Rift_walker wrote: | | ya, i cant play here, cant get things running right. |
How are you unable to get things running right? There is a very simple to follow guide on this site. All you have to do is download MWS and then download the masterbase off slightlymagic.net. |
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Rift_walker
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 16
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| asamodious wrote: | | Rift_walker wrote: | | ya, i cant play here, cant get things running right. |
How are you unable to get things running right? There is a very simple to follow guide on this site. All you have to do is download MWS and then download the masterbase off slightlymagic.net. |
wich i've done, but when i try to load a deck, it will tell me that its an invalid file, or something aloing those lines. |
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