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OldBear



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: ala ala ala Draft No7. Reply with quote

Another 4-3-2-2 my computer hung on me when i misclicked f1 by accident with 3 mins left on my opponents clock as opposed to 6 min on mine with a stalled board, damn my computer and the idiot at wizards who made both buttons either side of f2 ok perform functions that open internet explorer and as always my computer.

Event #: 99766
Time: 11/6/2008 7:30:00 PM
Players:
--> ElementalMox
Nebula_dragon
glumax
TheDeadening.
r41d
morph444
Angus42
Shizzik

------ ALA ------

Pack 1 pick 1:
--> Savage Lands
Obelisk of Grixis
Plains (FOIL)
Cancel
Sighted-Caste Sorcerer
Resounding Scream
Bloodthorn Taunter
Qasali Ambusher
Corpse Connoisseur
Cavern Thoctar
Ad Nauseam
Tidehollow Strix
Knight of the Skyward Eye
Coma Veil
Forest

Interesting pack three cards to consider the knight of the Skyward Eye, corpse Connoisseur and the savage lands. The Skyward eye is really a comitment too two colours and the conniseur though good is not as good a first pick as the land i think.

Pack 1 pick 2:
Windwright Mage (FOIL)
Glaze Fiend
Obelisk of Bant
Sanctum Gargoyle
Swamp
Shadowfeed
Gift of the Gargantuan
Skeletonize
--> Tower Gargoyle
Exuberant Firestoker
Lush Growth
Kederekt Leviathan
Jund Panorama
Carrion Thrash

Between the skeletonize and the tower gargoyle, I think the gargoyle is that much stronger than its the pick even with our first pick.

Pack 1 pick 3:
Waveskimmer Aven
Cathartic Adept
Coma Veil
Angel's Herald
Plains
Godtoucher
--> Resounding Silence (FOIL)
Blightning
Soul's Grace
Bant Charm
Dispeller's Capsule
Shore Snapper
Lightning Talons

Here the options are blightning, bant charm and resounding silence, as the silence is the least commital its our pick.

Pack 1 pick 4:
Cathartic Adept
Coma Veil
Goblin Mountaineer
Sunseed Nurturer
Blightning
Crumbling Necropolis
Undead Leotau
Lightning Talons
--> Sanctum Gargoyle
Bant Panorama
Drumhunter
Forest

We can rule out the drum hunter with what we have picked already, leaving either the necroplolis or the gargoyle which is a tough call, but i felt the gargoyle was stonger.

Pack 1 pick 5:
Deathgreeter
--> Resounding Silence
Swamp
Jungle Weaver
Rockcaster Platoon
Banewasp Affliction
Shore Snapper
Elvish Visionary
Vectis Silencers
Grixis Battlemage
Immortal Coil

I belive it is pick over battle mage it keeps us really only commited to white also

Pack 1 pick 6:
Cylian Elf
Call to Heel
Scavenger Drake
Dreg Reaver
Vithian Stinger
Yoked Plowbeast
Plains
Kiss of the Amesha
--> Dregscape Zombie
Cloudheath Drake

Really late stinger, looking at this pack now i think the cloudheath drake is a better pick than dredgescape zombie I mystified to the pick I made.

Pack 1 pick 7:
Mountain
Filigree Sages
Behemoth's Herald
Deathgreeter
Bloodthorn Taunter
Etherium Sculptor
Marble Chalice
Angelsong
--> Cancel

Pack 1 pick 8:
Hindering Light
Relic of Progenitus
Sunseed Nurturer
Soul's Grace
Island
Windwright Mage
--> Kathari Screecher
Waveskimmer Aven

I think the screecher is better as its so much easier to play.

Pack 1 pick 9:
Plains (FOIL)
Cancel
Resounding Scream
Bloodthorn Taunter
--> Ad Nauseam
Coma Veil
Forest

Pack 1 pick 10:
Glaze Fiend
Obelisk of Bant
Swamp
Shadowfeed
Lush Growth
--> Jund Panorama

Pack 1 pick 11:
--> Cathartic Adept
Coma Veil
Angel's Herald
Plains
Soul's Grace

Pack 1 pick 12:
Cathartic Adept
Coma Veil
--> Bant Panorama
Forest

Pack 1 pick 13:
Swamp
Banewasp Affliction
--> Vectis Silencers

Pack 1 pick 14:
--> Call to Heel
Plains

Pack 1 pick 15:
--> Marble Chalice

------ ALA ------

Pack 2 pick 1:
Soul's Fire
Jhessian Infiltrator
Grixis Charm
Cylian Elf
Outrider of Jhess
Plains
Salvage Titan (FOIL)
Oblivion Ring
Dregscape Zombie
--> Knight-Captain of Eos
Wild Nacatl
Bant Battlemage
Vectis Silencers
Welkin Guide
Executioner's Capsule

Its this or the o-ring I believe knight captain is worth a few tixs so that makes the decision easier

Pack 2 pick 2:
Elvish Visionary
Infest
Druid of the Anima
Swamp
Mighty Emergence
Bull Cerodon
Skeletal Kathari
Courier's Capsule
--> Deft Duelist
Banewasp Affliction
Steward of Valeron
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
Dragon Fodder
Yoked Plowbeast



We actually do not have too much black at the moment so im ruling out the infest, I like the 2 drop more than the card draw though either pick is fine.

Pack 2 pick 3:
Obelisk of Jund
Tortoise Formation
Metallurgeon
Rockcaster Platoon
Forest
Obelisk of Esper
Onyx Goblet
Shadowfeed
Cathartic Adept
Naya Panorama
Lightning Talons
Fleshbag Marauder (FOIL)
--> Agony Warp

Pack 2 pick 4:
Island
Goblin Deathraiders
Skeletal Kathari
Esper Panorama
Angelic Benediction
Sphinx's Herald
Prince of Thralls
--> Tidehollow Strix
Obelisk of Bant
Guardians of Akrasa
Jund Panorama
Hindering Light

Hmm the strix is the better card but the akras leaves more firmly planted in only 2 colours, this time i went for power I love me a strix great offensive and defensive creature

Pack 2 pick 5:
Jhessian Lookout
Blister Beetle
Cavern Thoctar
Volcanic Submersion
Minion Reflector
--> Arcane Sanctum
Obelisk of Grixis
Spell Snip
Mountain
Kederekt Creeper
Dispeller's Capsule

Easy pick

Pack 2 pick 6:
--> Cloudheath Drake
Sangrite Surge
Windwright Mage
Ridge Rannet
Dreg Reaver
Demon's Herald
Incurable Ogre
Obelisk of Naya
Steelclad Serpent
Plains

Once again trying to stick too two colours as much as possible

Pack 2 pick 7:
Island
Vectis Silencers
--> Excommunicate
Jungle Weaver
Hissing Iguanar
Banewasp Affliction
Necrogenesis
Grixis Panorama
Incurable Ogre

Pack 2 pick 8:
--> Guardians of Akrasa
Goblin Mountaineer
Dreg Reaver
Etherium Sculptor
Akrasan Squire
Mountain
Viashino Skeleton
Esper Charm

Esper Charm is pretty weak.

Pack 2 pick 9:
Jhessian Infiltrator
Cylian Elf
Outrider of Jhess
Plains
--> Salvage Titan (FOIL)
Vectis Silencers
Welkin Guide

Okay foil rare tables good times

Pack 2 pick 10:
Elvish Visionary
Swamp
Mighty Emergence
Banewasp Affliction
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
--> Yoked Plowbeast

Pack 2 pick 11:
Tortoise Formation
Forest
--> Onyx Goblet
Shadowfeed
Cathartic Adept

Pack 2 pick 12:
Island
Sphinx's Herald
Obelisk of Bant
--> Hindering Light

Pack 2 pick 13:
--> Jhessian Lookout
Volcanic Submersion
Mountain

Pack 2 pick 14:
--> Dreg Reaver
Plains

Pack 2 pick 15:
--> Island

------ ALA ------

Pack 3 pick 1:
Savage Hunger
Onyx Goblet
Marble Chalice
Dawnray Archer
Volcanic Submersion
Goblin Assault
--> Deft Duelist
Algae Gharial
Island
Crumbling Necropolis (FOIL)
Steelclad Serpent
Rakeclaw Gargantuan
Spell Snip
Jungle Shrine
Obelisk of Jund

Mana fixing wise i think Im okay and the duelist is a great early drop

Pack 3 pick 2:
Keeper of Progenitus (FOIL)
Fleshbag Marauder
Obelisk of Esper
Protomatter Powder
Ridge Rannet
Undead Leotau
Sigil Blessing
Steelclad Serpent
Forest
Gustrider Exuberant
Naya Battlemage
Bant Panorama
Druid of the Anima
--> Stoic Angel

Nothing that great for us take the bomb

Pack 3 pick 3:
Swamp
Gift of the Gargantuan
Swerve
Skeletal Kathari
Esper Panorama
Dawnray Archer
Windwright Mage
--> Sigiled Paladin
Invincible Hymn
Plains (FOIL)
Mosstodon
Obelisk of Naya
Dragon Fodder

Beat card in pack

Pack 3 pick 4:
Esper Panorama
Etherium Astrolabe
Glaze Fiend
--> Scourglass
Shadowfeed
Guardians of Akrasa
Metallurgeon
Island
Waveskimmer Aven
Grixis Panorama
Esper Battlemage
Hindering Light

Wow now Im so glad I took that sanctum gargoyle over fixing

Pack 3 pick 5:
Relic of Progenitus
Kathari Screecher
Soul's Might
Jhessian Infiltrator
Forest
Dragon's Herald
Resounding Wave
Resounding Scream
--> Ethersworn Canonist
Soul's Grace
Lush Growth

This is also worth something and i can play it as well:)

Pack 3 pick 6:
Savage Hunger
Sangrite Surge
Swamp
Ridge Rannet
Goblin Mountaineer
--> Rhox War Monk
Seaside Citadel
Courier's Capsule
Jungle Weaver
Sighted-Caste Sorcerer

Looking at the cards I have it may infact be worth abandoning black and splashing Green instead for angel and this I decided this was the way

Pack 3 pick 7:
Viashino Skeleton
Rockslide Elemental
--> Mindlock Orb
Gift of the Gargantuan
Grixis Charm
Call to Heel
Outrider of Jhess
Plains
Necrogenesis

Got so many rares this draft:)

Pack 3 pick 8:
Dragon's Herald
--> Resounding Wave
Jhessian Lookout
Naturalize
Godtoucher
Mountain
Blightning
Gustrider Exuberant

Pack 3 pick 9:
Savage Hunger
Onyx Goblet
Marble Chalice
Dawnray Archer
Volcanic Submersion
Island
--> Steelclad Serpent

Pack 3 pick 10:
--> Obelisk of Esper
Protomatter Powder
Ridge Rannet
Steelclad Serpent
Forest
Gustrider Exuberant

Pack 3 pick 11:
Swamp
Swerve
--> Dawnray Archer
Invincible Hymn
Plains (FOIL)

Pack 3 pick 12:
Esper Panorama
Shadowfeed
Island
--> Waveskimmer Aven

Cemments green as my splash

Pack 3 pick 13:
Forest
Resounding Scream
--> Soul's Grace

Pack 3 pick 14:
--> Savage Hunger
Swamp

Pack 3 pick 15:
--> Plains

The deck

1 Ethersworn Cannoist
1 Call to hell
2 Deft Duelist
1 Jhessian Lookout
1 Sigiled Paladin
1 Excommunicate
1 Cancel
1 Resounding Wave
1 Dawn Ray archer
1 Guardians of Akrasa
1 Kathari Screecher
1 Rhox War Monk
1 Sanctum Gargoyle
1 Tower Gargoyle
2 Resounding Silence
1 Stoic Angel
1 Cloudheath Drake
1 Scour Glass
1 Knight Captain of Eos
1 Waveskimmer Aven
1 Yolked Plowbeast
1 Arcane Sanctum
1 Savage Lands
7 Plains
6 Islands
2 Forest
1 Bant Panorama

Sb
1 Tidehollow Strix
1 Agony Wrap
1 Dredgescape Zombie
1 Salvage Titan

The matches

Round 1 my opponet gets a turn 2 strix I have turn 2 duelist they beat for a bit, he has double fate sticher which is keeoing my team at bay but duelist, i clear the board with scour glass and lay stoic angel, he has fleshbag marauders call to heel combo bad times, follwed up by blightning to empty my hand from here its his. I stall on 2 lands but have 2 2 drops, one being a duelist i get in some early beats and draw a 3 rd land allowing me to play dawn ray archer he has both fate stichers again but the dueslist is still getting in, I have scour glass and sanctum garygoyle in hand so if i can draw out of flood things are looking good. I am able to do so wipe the board with glass and then unearth kathari screecher for the win. Game 3 he has 5 mins something left on clock me 9 mins something, he has turn three stinger I have a slow start but 4th turn stoic is good with so little time left, He has double sticher again but they not so good with angel in play I have skimmer and draw my kinight captain of eos, now he really can not win in time is down too 3 mins on clock, I hit F1 by mistake instaed of f2 so my computer opens up internet explorer well trys to, to bring up the help menu, except it crashes in the process my opponent goes onto win draft:<

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dv8r



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Posts: 239

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heh, I was worried you were never going to give me anything to talk about after your last 2 drafts:

p1p1
NO. Strix is a risky commitment to two colours at first pick because blue is shallow and black needs certain cards to be affective (and these change between shards). The two deepest shards are Naya and Bant, and you can easily have 5+ gwx drafters on the table all with strong decks. Knight of the Skyward eye is one of the best cards in both of these shards, filling out your curve early and giving you a potent 5 power threat in the mid-late game. Ambusher is at the same sort of power level, allowing you to actually use panoramas without falling behind, and whenever it hits it's an absolute blowout. I would take Knight, some would take Ambusher, if it was a t8 of a ptq and you had to go 3-0 Strix is fine too, but p1p1 Savage Lands? Yes, the cycle are very powerful, but you can't pass up on this level of power this early in the draft to take them.

p1p2
Justify this pick (the correct one) in terms of the logic you demonstrate in making your first pick.

p1p6
I actually think amesha's kiss is my preferred pick here, it's a powerful late game card draw spell that allows you to race effectively with your flyers in bant/esper before your opponent manages to ping/burn you to death. That said, you do only need one, and def. don't want more than 2. Zombie vs Drake is a judgement call, I've seen drakes come quite late because they are blue, and it's rare that you WANT to be in blue, so I think zombie is a fine pick.

p1p10
Obelisk has to be the pick here....

p1p11
Coma Veil is a good sb card vs Naya, and one you might even md if you are short on removal, what does adept give?

p1p12
That's late.....

p2p1
I understand the logic, just don't forget that in a serious tournament you really want the o-ring

p2p2
Infest is close to a bomb in terms of power, deft duelist is a 2 drop (albeit a very good 2 drop), it's not close imo, especially in a more controlling archytype like esper.

p2p3
Pray the Metallurgeon tables Razz

p2p5
Agreed, but compare the power level of what you are passing here (blister beatle) to what you are passing pack 1 (ambusher/knight)

p2p7
With a savage land and jund panorama, the Necrogenesis looks very very tempting here, even if its only for the sb.

p2p8
3 mana, discard 2 cards at instant speed is def. not weak. The fact that it kills o-ring and draws you into gas late game is also not to be ignored. That said, guardians is one of the best cards in the esper deck, but it's closer than you give it credit for.


Nothing really controversial in pack 3.

To be honest, this draft wasn't that bad, but I honestly don't understand the reasoning behind some of your picks. Especially p1p1, p1p10, p1p11 and p2p2. Did you do this draft when tired or something? Your statements behind picks seems to lack logical consistancy, as the draft goes on....
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OldBear



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think im struggling to find a style I like in this format and its reflecting in my drafting. Im not happy with my results even taking into account games lost due to pc. Plus the feedback I am getting is not consistant even amoung the top players, sometimes with 3 totally different routes proffessed by players who i held in high regard and it becomes not always obvious what to do.

With p1 p1 I was simply trying to make the most open pick.

p1 p2 I could not see a card I would take over tower gargoyle if I had an intention of going esper so i took it as a sign that the esper deckmaybe open perhasp this is a bit premature and certainly inconsistent with first pick.

p1 p10 I really dislike the obellisks they seem rubbish in all but 5cc which i never go.

p1 p11 I see no way I can defend that:P

p2p2 This pick I think was a good pick, as i had next to no black at the time and it was looking like my most likely splash colour with white and blue being my main colours. If infest cost b2 i certainly would have taken it. The pick would have made it alot harder for me to switch into bant third pack.
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Shooter
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have ended up with a really god BR deck with triple blightning :S
and I agree with ur 1st pick Smile
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dv8r



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you agree with the first pick because you like rb far too much shooter Wink

to be honest, there's nothing WRONG with taking the land first pick, it's just a case of being consistant in your logic

obelisks ARE bad in every deck except 5cc. however, sometimes you need the fixing. it's like coma veil or jhessian lookout. you never WANT to play these cards but sometimes you are short on fixers, or short on removal, and they're better than the available options. The reasons I would take obelisk over panorama in this position are twofold:

1) it fixes two colours instead of one (you seem to be pretty solidly in esper at this point)

2) you have seen NO late red to this point, which suggests the colour is being heavily drafted (and you've basically passed a naya deck and grixis deck downstream already)

infest is still worth playing even if you only have 6 black sources, the potential card advantage that it gives is simply too large to ignore. many bant and grixis decks simply lose if you play this card
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OldBear



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the time of having the option of taking the infest cards of note i had in black were Tower Gargoyle Dredgescape Zombie pack 1 , agony warp strix, salvage titans pack 2, I think there us a good chance the person passing to us pack 1 is ubr we saw very little after pick 1, so we can not expect to see that many playables pack 3 followed by the fact the cards I have already do not make me want to play 6 or more swamps in the deck, as the salvage titan is basically a craw wurm in the deck which was taken more because its a foil rare.

Also shooter if this is the case, I can see me going that route also if i took the skeletonize pick 2 pack 1, can you really take blightning as high as third pick for the next pack?
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