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Ala Ala Ala Draft No6.



 
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OldBear



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Ala Ala Ala Draft No6. Reply with quote

Another 4-3-2-2 I lost in semis again this is by far the best deck I drafted in my opinion and I got lucked out on a bit by a guy who got all 3 colours every game and turn 1 nactal every game, plus the devour firespout dude to wreak me both games he won. Also just of note I had not read acemans walkthrough when i did this thanks for that really appreciated aceman, for those of you on magic-league ive copy pasted it onto the last draft I did if you want to get better at limited like me worth a read. I will be getting another draft up in a while in which I will try to make use of acemans critique.

Event #: 97041
Time: 11/2/2008 10:24:42 PM
Players:
jono mizer
epp926
--> ElementalMox
Punisher2004
Americanidle
jrkapoor
jasonmesa2
Splldrong

------ ALA ------

Pack 1 pick 1:
Coma Veil
Forest
Kederekt Creeper
Tidehollow Strix
Courier's Capsule
Rhox Charger
Puppet Conjurer
Ridge Rannet
Bone Splinters
Rhox War Monk
Akrasan Squire
Tortoise Formation
--> Flameblast Dragon
Savage Hunger
Sanctum Gargoyle

A few good cards but this is the clear pick

Pack 1 pick 2:
Mosstodon (FOIL)
Relic of Progenitus
Sunseed Nurturer
Metallurgeon
Deathgreeter
Excommunicate
Call to Heel
Salvage Titan
Hindering Light
Swamp
Grixis Charm
--> Vithian Stinger
Court Archers
Viashino Skeleton

This keeps us open and is most likely the best card in the pack.

Pack 1 pick 3:
Coma Veil
Obelisk of Jund
Waveskimmer Aven
Volcanic Submersion
Cavern Thoctar
Rakeclaw Gargantuan
Soul's Grace
Cancel
Skeletal Kathari
Jhessian Infiltrator
Dawnray Archer
--> Infest
Plains

Nothing in red here infest is the best card and rb is very good.

Pack 1 pick 4:
Bloodthorn Taunter
Naturalize
Swerve
Cavern Thoctar
--> Rockslide Elemental
Resounding Scream
Deft Duelist
Skill Borrower
Forest
Banewasp Affliction
Obelisk of Grixis
Yoked Plowbeast

Keeps us in red nothing good enough to go into a different colour for

Pack 1 pick 5:
Esper Charm
Swamp
Puppet Conjurer
Soul's Grace
Obelisk of Naya
Rip-Clan Crasher
Windwright Mage
Hindering Light
Esper Panorama
Bant Charm
--> Bloodpyre Elemental

There are more powefull cards here ie the charms but i think the elemental is the pick.

Pack 1 pick 6:
Lightning Talons
Godtoucher
Dispeller's Capsule
--> Blood Cultist
Etherium Sculptor
Where Ancients Tread
Dreg Reaver
Viashino Skeleton
Plains
Cathartic Adept

Clear pick to go with my stinger

Pack 1 pick 7:
Mountain
Sighted-Caste Sorcerer
Topan Ascetic
Jund Panorama
Hindering Light
Bloodpyre Elemental
--> Quietus Spike
Obelisk of Bant
Jhessian Infiltrator

Im not 100% sure on this one quetis spike has mixed reviews from people but with the pingers I already have and the potential to pick up more as red seems open this is the pick.

Pack 1 pick 8:
Soul's Grace
Island
Cancel
Invincible Hymn
Bloodthorn Taunter
--> Naya Panorama
Resounding Scream
Elvish Visionary

Pack 1 pick 9:
Forest
Kederekt Creeper
Courier's Capsule
Ridge Rannet
--> Bone Splinters
Tortoise Formation
Savage Hunger

Pack 1 pick 10:
--> Relic of Progenitus
Deathgreeter
Call to Heel
Hindering Light
Swamp
Viashino Skeleton

Pack 1 pick 11:
Volcanic Submersion
--> Cavern Thoctar
Soul's Grace
Cancel
Plains

Pack 1 pick 12:
Swerve
--> Resounding Scream
Forest
Banewasp Affliction

Pack 1 pick 13:
Swamp
--> Puppet Conjurer
Soul's Grace

Pack 1 pick 14:
--> Viashino Skeleton
Plains

Pack 1 pick 15:
--> Mountain

------ ALA ------

Pack 2 pick 1:
Filigree Sages
Behemoth's Herald
--> Godsire
Etherium Sculptor
Blister Beetle
Tortoise Formation (FOIL)
Plains
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
Obelisk of Jund
Jungle Weaver
Cathartic Adept
Naturalize
Seaside Citadel
Marble Chalice
Angelsong

Raredraft

Pack 2 pick 2:
Sphinx's Herald
Carrion Thrash
--> Blood Cultist
Cylian Elf
Call to Heel
Swamp
Yoked Plowbeast
Executioner's Capsule
Resounding Thunder
Titanic Ultimatum
Dregscape Zombie
Skeletonize
Dreg Reaver
Esper Panorama

Another pinger I think considering I already have 2 other pingers this is the better pick.

Pack 2 pick 3:
Vectis Silencers
Tortoise Formation
Forest
Deathgreeter
Dragon's Herald
Jungle Weaver
--> Hissing Iguanar
Drumhunter
Sprouting Thrinax
Kederekt Creeper
Tidehollow Strix
Shadowfeed
Resounding Silence

Great in aggresive red decks

Pack 2 pick 4:
Grixis Battlemage
Bant Panorama
Skeletal Kathari
Etherium Astrolabe
Jund Battlemage
Island
Goblin Mountaineer
Angelsong
--> Goblin Deathraiders
Blister Beetle
Cavern Thoctar
Undead Leotau

These are really good in the rb aggro archtype im looking at going

Pack 2 pick 5:
Vectis Silencers
Mountain
Lush Growth
Sacellum Godspeaker
Savage Hunger
Kathari Screecher
--> Scourge Devil
Filigree Sages
Steward of Valeron
Deft Duelist
Bone Splinters

I think this card is stronger than the splinters as it can really help me force through damage

Pack 2 pick 6:
Spell Snip
--> Dragon Fodder
Protomatter Powder
Volcanic Submersion
Cancel
Onyx Goblet
Shore Snapper
Obelisk of Jund
Angel's Herald
Plains

I want stuff to do on turn 2

Pack 2 pick 7:
Gustrider Exuberant
--> Onyx Goblet
Banewasp Affliction
Spell Snip
Bant Panorama
Soul's Might
Vicious Shadows
Yoked Plowbeast
Island

Also really good in rb if you have not seen intotherains video yet I recommend you do.

Pack 2 pick 8:
Goblin Mountaineer
Mighty Emergence
Dragon's Herald
Mountain
Glaze Fiend
Shore Snapper
Carrion Thrash
--> Rockslide Elemental

I have alot of cards that interact well with this, plus turn 2 deft duelist is a real problem for my deck this helps solve this

Pack 2 pick 9:
Tortoise Formation (FOIL)
Plains
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
--> Obelisk of Jund
Cathartic Adept
Marble Chalice
Angelsong

Pack 2 pick 10:
Sphinx's Herald
Carrion Thrash
Swamp
Yoked Plowbeast
--> Dregscape Zombie
Dreg Reaver

Pack 2 pick 11:
Vectis Silencers
Tortoise Formation
Forest
--> Deathgreeter
Shadowfeed

Pack 2 pick 12:
Skeletal Kathari
Island
--> Blister Beetle
Undead Leotau

Pack 2 pick 13:
--> Vectis Silencers
Mountain
Savage Hunger

Pack 2 pick 14:
--> Onyx Goblet
Plains

Pack 2 pick 15:
--> Island

------ ALA ------

Pack 3 pick 1:
Godtoucher
--> Bloodpyre Elemental
Rockcaster Platoon
Resounding Wave
Lush Growth
Naya Charm
Necrogenesis
Rip-Clan Crasher
Gustrider Exuberant
Cruel Ultimatum
Naya Panorama
Obelisk of Esper
Island
Onyx Goblet
Shadowfeed

The cruel does not seem worth the splash this time, so i took the elemental

Pack 3 pick 2:
Viscera Dragger
Obelisk of Grixis
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
Corpse Connoisseur
Druid of the Anima
Naturalize
--> Blightning
Bloodthorn Taunter
Jungle Shrine
Resounding Scream
Keeper of Progenitus
Tidehollow Sculler
Forest
Courier's Capsule

Should be awsome in my deck

Pack 3 pick 3:
Cylian Elf
--> Resounding Thunder
Skullmulcher
Resounding Silence
Exuberant Firestoker
Swamp
Cathartic Adept
Grixis Battlemage
Dispeller's Capsule
Jhessian Lookout
Dregscape Zombie
Obelisk of Esper
Godtoucher

Easy pick

Pack 3 pick 4:
Incurable Ogre
Island
Cylian Elf
Obelisk of Bant
Wild Nacatl
Grixis Panorama
Court Archers
Qasali Ambusher
Mighty Emergence
Jhessian Lookout
Dregscape Zombie
--> Resounding Thunder

Easy pick

Pack 3 pick 5:
Gustrider Exuberant
Demon's Herald
Forest
Marble Chalice
Steelclad Serpent
Hissing Iguanar
Bant Panorama
Soul's Might
Undead Leotau
--> Savage Lands
Sunseed Nurturer

Maybe i should hve took the igunar, but i already have loads of playables and this makes my thunders which will always make the cut that much better

Pack 3 pick 6:
Grixis Panorama
Excommunicate
Swamp
--> Ridge Rannet
Sigil Blessing
Steelclad Serpent
Banewasp Affliction
Druid of the Anima
Glaze Fiend
Rockcaster Platoon

Pack 3 pick 7:
Relic of Progenitus
--> Death Baron
Metallurgeon
Jhessian Lookout
Volcanic Submersion
Plains
Soul's Might
Spell Snip
Dispeller's Capsule

Pack 3 pick 8:
Memory Erosion
Obelisk of Naya
Sangrite Surge
Steward of Valeron
Mountain
--> Dragon Fodder
Skeletal Kathari
Jund Panorama

Pack 3 pick 9:
Godtoucher
Lush Growth
Necrogenesis
--> Rip-Clan Crasher
Island
Onyx Goblet
Shadowfeed

Pack 3 pick 10:
Thorn-Thrash Viashino
--> Corpse Connoisseur
Bloodthorn Taunter
Resounding Scream
Keeper of Progenitus
Forest

Pack 3 pick 11:
Cylian Elf
Swamp
Cathartic Adept
--> Grixis Battlemage
Godtoucher

Pack 3 pick 12:
Incurable Ogre
Island
Mighty Emergence
--> Dregscape Zombie

Pack 3 pick 13:
--> Demon's Herald
Forest
Marble Chalice

Pack 3 pick 14:
Swamp
--> Steelclad Serpent

Pack 3 pick 15:
--> Plains

Okay heres the decklist I have alot of playables here so thoughts on how you would have built the deck diffrently with reasoning also appreciated

1 Bone splinters
2 Dragon Fodder
1 Blister Beetle
2 Dredgescape Zombie
1 Goblin Deathraider
1 Quietus Spike
1 Blightning
2 Resounding Thunder
2 Blood Cultist
1 Grixis Battlemage
1 Hissing Igunar
2 Rockslide Elemental
1 Vithian Stinger
2 Bloodpyre Elemental
1 Corpse Conniseur
1 Scourge Devil
1 Flameblast Dragon
1 Savage Lands
7 Swamps
7 Mountains
1 Forest
1 Naya Panorama

Sb

1 infest just does not work with my stratergy kills almost everthing i play
1 Death Baron mana intensive and is not all that often going to be any thing more than a 2/2
2 Oynx Goblet I had so many good cards in my 3 drop slot, I know these were awsome in intotherains videos but I felt they were the weakest of many good options
1 Ridge Rannet Paying 2 mana to draw a card is something this deck never really wants to be spending its mana to do.

Games Round 1 ugw bant, he has turn deft duelist but i ahve a rockslide elemental plus 2 pingers that go to work on this team, I pile in the creatures drop a devil in smash in for an amount of damge that makes the sitaution hopeless for him and he conceeds. Game 2 He stalls on three land, whilst i get my beat on by the time he has recovered I have dropped a flameblast dragon and thats game.

Round 2 gwr Naya right? Game 1 he gets turn1 nactal on the draw, I have a turn 2 deathraider, I get a pinger and start going to town forcing bad trades, when I drop a flameblast dragon with him already behind on board he concedes. Game 2 he has turn 1 nactal again and curves out nicely I stall forever on 4 lands with both bloodpyre elementals and flameblast dragon in hand after getting wrecked on board by the pyroclasm firespout guy. Game 3 Yes he has turn 1 nactal for the third game in a row these 1800s honestly I have turn 2 death raider and are able to put the pressure on with the help of a blood cultist, Im forced into some bad trades though to keep forcing through damage but its still looking good, I blightning him dropping his hand too 1 card he drops throctar, I continue to lay threats are he is at 8 life now, he draws and plays firespout devour guy, starts beating me down, I draw lands Oh well!

Feedback Appreciated.
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ik
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What intotherains video are you talking about?
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dv8r



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aceman defineately has some interesting draft evaluations from the previous thread, would be interested in talking to him as he seems to know what he is doing, wanna introduce us?

this draft pretty much picks itself, every pick is clear and obvious except for p3p7 where you should take relic for the mirror/esper matchups instead of a random 2/2 you pretty much know at this point that you won't be playing

onyx goblet is a perfectly fine card to play, it's not awesome, it's a solid suplement to the rb aggro archtype, your card quality is MORE than high enough to not play them, and you are nowhere near aggressive enough (your gameplan in the long game is to get quietus spike + pinger and win in that way, not out tempo them, although it is of course possible you can do so if they get a bad draw)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you not like naya?
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Zapgaze
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, Evaluation time... Note that I liked most of your picks in this draft:

P1P10 Deathgreeter > Relic

P1P12 Swerve > Scream (You won't be playing either of them anyways, at least pick the one that is more useful and could possibly be used against you)

P2P2: Thunder/Executioner's > Cultist (There's such a thing as too many pingers)

P2P5: Bone Splinters > Scourge Devil (Devil is only really good in a token rush deck, which your deck obviously isn't)

P2P10: Carrion Thrash > Dregscape Zombie (WHY wouldn't you do this Sad? )

P3P6: Druid > Rannet

P3P10: Thorn-Thrash Viashino > Connisseur

Ask if you don't understand any of the picks:/
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Shooter
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zapgaze wrote:


P3P10: Thorn-Thrash Viashino > Connisseur



gtfo

Seriously.


About the draft:
p3p9 I'd have taken necrogenesis. It is a REALLY powerful card that DESTROYS your strategy, and you won't be playing clan-crasher anyway.
I don't get why you keep getting connoisseur this late, it is like best black uncommon and you ALWAYS pass it and it tables. You should start with some 8-4s.

Also, I'd have taken bloodpyre over spike, which would let you pick thunder over cultist #2. But I understand you wanted to test the card, so it's ok Smile
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dv8r



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with shooter on p3p9, it simply didn't occur to me that necrogenesis would even remotely have a chance of coming round this late, and it's a FINE splash

on spike vs elemental, I'm going to say spike is better. he has dragon fodder and a pinger already, and spike simply wins games if you have tokens, pingers or anything with first strike and it's still early in the draft, so he can prioritize those

there is NEVER such a thing as too many pingers, pingers get exponentially better in multiples
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OldBear



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay thanks for the feedback as such, I think I am definatly underrating necrogensis its one of thoose cards I just can not visualize being that good so i never take it.

I do not really know aceman as such anymore than as a moderator of the modosharks communtity. There are multiple ways you can easily contact him and as modosharks is a site dedicated to help getting people better at magic and he is one of the founding members I am sure he would be happy to discuss stuff. You can contact him on www.modosharks.com either in the forums or as a message as he is a moderator he should be pretty easy to find, even on the thread he made about my draft. If you have modo if you go to my last draft post on draft no5 where I cp his feedback at the bottom it lists his two modo nicks though I can never find him on as he is on american time and is a busy guy or finally if your on facebook he is part of the modosharks group on there.

If you go to www.modosharks.com and click the videos section, you will see a list of videos you can view made with the intention of helping players get better at magic, most of the content is limited but there is some constructed also. You will find intotherains draft there, another great player in the top 100 limited rated players in the world.
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