Updated Celestial Dragons

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

New Decklist, 5/11/2008

Greenseeker = discard + manafixer, perfect

Considering the following cards for maindeck: Oblivion Ring, Seal of Primordium. Reasoning: Faerie Decks run Bitterblossom, Merfolk Decks run the untap merfolk at end of turn enchantment. Those Green/White decks play with Everlasting Torment, so having a seal in play seems like a pretty decent deterrent to many of the more powerful enchantments that are seeing play in the meta

Land:
5x Plains
4x Gemstone Mine
4x Desert
5x Forest
4x Terramorphic Expanse
2x Swamp

Spells:
4x Diabolic Tutor
4x rampant growth
4x Search for Tomorrow
4x Celestial Dawn
4x Wrath of God
4x Resurrection

Creatures:
4x Greenseeker
1x Oros, the Avenger
1x Nicol Bolas
1x Numot, The Devastator
1x Teneb, The Harvester
4x Scion of the Ur-Dragon

Sideboard: (Work in Progress)

2x Krosan Grip
4x Crucible of Worlds
4x Story Circle
3x Sudden Death
2x Seal of Primordium

Truth- · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 24

What does your deck do vers aggro? I know you have wrathh of god but that cant be enough. Desert are the same way. What does your deck do vers Dralnu... with heavy counter spells.... I think your deck has a weak early game... yess you might zombify a turn 4 dragon... but almost everydeck in the format can follow up with a wrath. You have too many fatties that make the deck clunky...

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 927

Drop the Ur-Dragon guy for real. I would add 2-3 Chord of Calling. Nico Bolas is a house vs Dralnu if you can get him in play. That is a really big if. l am not sure about the ruling on the activated ablities of the dragons and Dawn. If I remember the rule correctly you can not use the abilities. In that case you should def add in 3-4 Bogardan Hellkite. Vs most aggro it serves as Wrath Of God 7-8. Really it just seems like a janky version of Solar Flare.

I have seen good Dawn decks before. The best thing to do is play the best spells in the format.

Lightning Helix
Remand
Wrath Of God
Tef!!!
Bogardan Hellkite
Blood Moon. (Supper Tech as it will not hurt you at all)
Demonfire
Complusive Research
Castigate
Stupor
Angel of Despair (It's Vinidate on a big flying stick)
Persecute
R3wind (yup I said it lol)
The list goes on and on.

So you got the tutor thing down. (Drift) I just think that you need way better cards in the deck. Come on man you can play all 5 Colors in the deck thanks to Dawn. Don't take what I am saying to hard. I hope that you will take some of ideas that I gave you and run with it.

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

First I'd like to say that I definitely appreciate the commentary, and I always take it seriously.

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 927

Ok if all of your lands are now plains how would Blood Moon effect you in anyway? I understand about timestamps. But every land you control are plains. So what if your non-basic lands are not in play will become Mountains when you play them. They stil count for colorless mana costs. Good luck with the deck.

"Celestial Dawn"
Info: Color = White Type = Enchantment Cost = 1WW Edition = Time Spiral Timeshifted (TSB)

Errata: Nonland cards you own that aren't in play, spells you control, and nonland permanents you control are white. Lands you control are Plains. Spells and abilities you control produce white mana instead of any other color. You may spend white mana as through it were mana of any color. [Oracle 2003/07/01]

It no longer changes mana symbols on cards. [Rules Team 2001/05/01]

If a permanent spell is played while Celestial Dawn is in play, then Celestial Dawn leaves play, the permanent's color reverts to the colors in its mana cost. [D'Angelo 2001/05/19]

The effect to turn all your non-land cards (including artifacts) white is the effect of a static ability that will override the color as set prior to Celestial Dawn's effect. Thus, a Deathlace on casting of a spell or prior to Celestial Dawn entering play will be overridden by Celestial Dawn's effect. [Aahz 1997/03/18]

A color change effect which enters play after Celestial Dawn can override the color changing effect of Celestial Dawn. [D'Angelo 1997/03/18]

If an effect like Vampire Bats or Dragon Whelp is used by paying white mana, then the limitations on playing the ability still apply as if you spent the proper color. [D'Angelo 2002/07/21]

You may use a different color mana than the color required for spells and abilities such as Soul Burn. If you do, if the spell or ability checks the actual color of the mana, it can tell the difference. For example, if you use white mana on Soul Burn, you will not gain any life. [Jordan 2001/04/29]

Does not change the type of lands which are not in play. Lands out of play are what they say they are. [D'Angelo 1997/08/27]

Any "comes into play" effects of playing a land will not happen since the lands will enter play as Plains. [D'Angelo 1999/05/01]

Will not add or remove Snow-Covered nature from a land. [D'Angelo 1998/08/11]

If you use Magical Hack (or a similar effect) to change the word "plains" to a different land type, your lands are all of that new land type, but they still produce white mana. [D'Angelo 2000/06/23]

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

So far playtesting has been a mixed bag.

I don't know if I want to mainboard privileged positions and Ivory masks in favor of condemns... they are good one shot removal, but in most cases I'm just using Phantasms as chump blocks. the only problem would be ****ing with the mana base...

if you've read all the posts, as of 2/22/07, you can see that control match ups are difficult, which is typically true for most combo decks. I might see about adding in a discard element, or perhaps running Gigadrowse if it becomes a big enough problem.

Piracy Charm has come to mind several times, as well as dawn charm...

changes made for playtesting:

-4x condemn, -2x careful consideration
+3x Dawn Charm, +3x Devouring Light.

Reasoning: Condemn was good creature removal, but I didn't see the need for it enough, for what it was doing. It'd remove a creature, but often times it would be the biggest one and it would be giving a lot of life back to the opponent.

I never saw Careful Consideration enough for it to be a viable option early game with compulsive research in the deck, and mid-to-late game I'm too busy casting and protecting dragons to use consideration...

Dawn Charm: A great utility card... a.) Fog b.) Spot Regen c.) Counterspell those pesky Psionic Blasts.

Devouring Light: Accomplishes the same thing as condemn, except it removes the attacking creature from the game rather than putting it back in the owner's library, and it doesn't give life to the owner. I think that's a good sacrifice.

sb:

2x privileged
2x Ivory Mask
2x cop black
3x cop red
3x disenchant
3x sacred ground

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Changed the mana base slightly.

Devouring Light and Dawn Charm are extremely powerful utility cards in this deck.

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

ew... lost my playtest results...

dg01 · Joined: 22 Jun 2006 Posts: 74

consider something like enduring renewal vs mass creature destruction,or something like Reminisce to refresh the deck?The number of threats doesnt seem too high,and you could use something to deal with removals.

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

New Decklist updated for new type 2

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

It's running pretty decent so far, but loses to enchantment decks pretty regularly and needs a little more speed versus red/green aggro

Dannar · Joined: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 34

Switched mana base, it's faster, stronger, and more consistent now

*edit* pithing needle for the win against tribal decks

*Updated* Celestial Dragons

Updated Celestial Dragons