Others 5 Questions

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

1. I play Patriarch's Bidding, if I choose Goblin and my Opponent choose wizard, each return Goblins and Wizards or I return Goblins and him return Wizards?

2. I got into play Leyline of the Void, my Opponent Destroy it with Ray of Revelation, What goes to the gravyard and what is removed from the game? And if i have Planar Void instead of leyline?

3. I play Thoughtseize, my Opponent play a dredge.dec and is all happy. Can I choose nothing to discard?

4. My Opponent play Mindslaver, and now he control my turn, when i look the top 3 cards of my deck whit my Sensei's Divining Top, Can i Look them?

5. My Opponent play a Combolife.dec, into the 3rd game he gain 24.000.000 life, he say that beacuse i have less cards into the deck i have loose by mill. But there are 5 min to the end of time, and i have 30 cards before loose by mill. What happend?

toguppy · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 297

1. all creatures of the chosen types come into play
2. the spell hits teh gy as part of the resolution but the rulings also say that the disenchant or ray inthis case is fine...(only dif between leyline and planar void is that planar void rfg itself, and the leyline is a replacement effect whereas the void triggers) so i have no clue as to any other dif here
3. not the same as searching for a card in a library or duress. yes u must choose something
4.as you are still the owner of the effect if not the controler yes.
5. your mum called me in that 5 minutes.... how the hell do we know?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 279

1) Each player returns all creatures of all the named types to play.

2) Leyline of the Void will RFG itself when it is destroyed and anything else that goes to the graveyard at the same time. Planar Void, on the other hand, will not, since that is a triggered ability. I could explain it more if you want to, but I'd just remember it Smile

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3) No, it doesn't say 'may' anywhere.

4) You are still playing your own turn, he's just calling the shots. You still get to see everything you would normally see.

5) You play it out. Just because you can't possibly win doesn't mean he wins by default. It can still be a draw just fine and there is no reason to stop playing and you're not forced to concede.

toguppy · Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 297

leyline is opponent..

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 445

I'm pretty sure if you get slaver locked a judge can be called and declare that you lose. I would assume a similar ruling could be put into play for the life gain, but I'm really not sure how that works. Why don't you ask these questions in judges4you?

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 279

@4: Right, Leyline of the Void can never remove itself, my bad. But the distinction with Planar Void stands (the rulings beneath it are incorrect and hopefully will be fixed sometime soon).

I forgot to explain what happens to the Ray of Revelation, it will go to the graveyard. A spell is not put into the graveyard until the last step of its resolution, this is after the Leyline is destroyed and stops 'working'.

@5: Even if you get Slaver locked you have to play it out. Just because you can't win doesn't mean you lose right then and there. And certainly not with a lot of life gain, there are other ways to win besides reducing somebodies life to zero. You can conceed if you want to and can't stall (so your turns should be over pretty fast), but a judge will not 'make you lose'.

Tritemio · Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 33

The 1st 3rd 4th 5th are pretty clear.

Help me to understand the 2nd question by an other case

I control 1 Leyline of the Void, and my opponent also control an other Leyline of the Void. I play Reverent Silence.

All the leyline are removed form the game? What append to Reverent Silence? What if instead of 2 leyline we have 2 planar void? A Judge say me that the Samurai of the Pale Curtain remove itself from the game, is correct? Where is the difference?

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 264

a player gaining 1,000,000 life is not a win.... it's just a "not losing". as long as your tuns are reasonable, u can continue play. a judge's opinion of reasonable changes here tho... u cannot win by damage so u had better be making prompt plays and not "attack step? ok. thinking.... hmmm... none"

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 279

Reverent Silence will be put in the graveyard in all the cases, because it is not put in the graveyard until after it has destroyed all enchantments (and they are thus in the graveyard and not 'working').

It's very important to understand the difference between Leyline of the Void and Samurai of the Pale Curtain on one hand and Planar Void on the other.

LotV and the SotPC have replacement effects. They replace 'going to the graveyard' with 'going to the RFG zone'. The card never hits the graveyard and replacement effects have to be checked right before an event because they change what the event will do.

PV on the other hand has a triggered ability. The cards actually hit the graveyard and the PV triggers. That trigger goes on the stack and when that triggered ability resolves the card is removed from the game. There are many ways to still do something with the card before PV removes it. Another important difference is that triggered abilities (with a few exceptions, none of which apply here) check to see it they trigger after the event.

LotV and SotPC will therefor remove everything (that they can remove) that goes to the graveyard with them, because right before the move the game looks around to see if there are any replacement effects that want to modify the move. They see LotV and/or SotPC in play and this results in a bunch of things being removed from the game instead of put in the graveyard (and yes, this means a SotPC will always remove itself from play, as long as it keeps the ability).

PV on the other hand will never remove itself from the game nor any other cards that go to the graveyard with it. The game doesn't check to see if there are any triggered abilities until after the PV (and all other stuff) is put in the graveyard. At that time, the PV is not in play and can therefor not trigger.

Pfff.. I hope that was clear. Ask any other questions you got, but this is about as clear as I can get it Smile

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thranarama · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 171

I think the ray of revelation going into the bin is slightly debatable. I only say so because, if I remember correctly, if you killed a samurai of the pale curtain with a burn/removal spell, he would end up removing the card that killed him, this might be because damage doesn't kill a creature legitimately until SBE's are checked after the resolution of the spell, which would put it into a graveyard and thus RFG due to the samurai, so if a judge could clarify that for sure, that would be nice.

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 445

dickburns88 · Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 37

Tritemio, those were the dumbest questions ever, please quit magic

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Lynolf · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 213

You are the one that should quit magic. If the guy has a question, or a bunch of questions, what's wrong in posting them? You don't have to answer them if you don't want too.

So I would shut up if I were you, cause when you post something here again, it might be you the criticised (like you were now Laughing

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And Jacois, just because someone haven't noticed that the Samurai doesn't affect spells doesn't mean he isa dumbass. It only proves that YOU are the only dumbass here.

dickburns88 · Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 37