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oldnew1



Joined: 16 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: plaxmanta Reply with quote

seal of fire on my bop.
i play plaxmanta
does the bop die?
how does plaxmanta work?
does the seal of fire get neggated?
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HHH1



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the sea gets negated and bop lives
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Hardtrack



Joined: 10 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right before something resolves it rechecks its targets. If it finds that all its targets are illegal it is countered by the rules and doesn't do anything. In this case, since the Birds of Paradise gets Shroud from the Plaxmanta, the only target of Seal of Fire is illegal and the ability is countered. The Seal stays in the graveyard (you sacrificed it when you played the ability) and the BoP lives.

If some of its targets are still legal, it would still resolve, just skipping over the parts of the effect that deals with the illegal targets, ignoring them completely.
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Thorns



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardtrack wrote:
If some of its targets are still legal, it would still resolve, just skipping over the parts of the effect that deals with the illegal targets, ignoring them completely.


Wrong. If you Hex targeting six creatures, and one of them is sacrificed in some way, Hex will be negated and will be put into its controller's graveyard. That is why Seeds of Strength was printed the way it is, if one target becomes illegal, the spell still resolves, granting +1/+1 to its targets. If it had been worded "Up to three target creatures gets +1/+1 until end of turn", when one target becomes illegal, the whole spell is negated.

It depends greatly on the card's wording.
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Flamancipatr



Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hex ruling 10/1/2005

MTG.com gatherer states:

You must target six different creatures. If you can't, you can't play Hex. If some of the creatures become illegal targets before the spell resolves, Hex will still destroy the rest of them.

Seeds of Strength was printed the way it was because it was meant to be spread among 1, 2, or 3 creatures, not because of how it interacts with illegal targets.
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oldnew1



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

k thank you every1!
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ejv



Joined: 27 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plaxmanta redirects the damage to all possible targets beacuase the spell has no more a legal target, therefore the plaxmanta and all other creatures in play and both players are simultaneously targeted by the seal of fire ability, the bop just dies because he is caught in the middle of a starstorm...
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RichardDWade



Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Babyface is absolutely correct... Also, remember to check your THACO and make sure that the dungeon master has ruled this a legal play. A D20 +3 is how much dmg your creatures will take if you don't.
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IanRobbins



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually due to State Based Effects, Static abilities, and copying keyworded objects when involved in a subgame (which plaxmanta puts you in due to no legal target) The seal of fire is placed under the birds, unless ofcorse there happens to be a one-shot continuous effect due to the triggered face-down Spell.

isnt it obvious?
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Thorns



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flamancipatr wrote:
Hex ruling 10/1/2005

MTG.com gatherer states:

You must target six different creatures. If you can't, you can't play Hex. If some of the creatures become illegal targets before the spell resolves, Hex will still destroy the rest of them.

Seeds of Strength was printed the way it was because it was meant to be spread among 1, 2, or 3 creatures, not because of how it interacts with illegal targets.


I'll be damned! I must report our local judge then...
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kby



Joined: 03 Oct 2006
Posts: 146

PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there must be at least one legal target during the resolution of the spell.

Seal of Fire's ability fizzles(...countered on res) because it no longer has a legal target. SInce SoF is already in the graveyard, the ability can't be played again, causing SoF to die, bop to live, and a plaxmanta on the board.
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