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andrew7913
Joined: 12 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:35 pm Post subject: Countering Morphs |
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| how do u counter a morph? when they pay 3 and put it face down? or when they flip the card? |
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Y2Jonline
Joined: 08 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| The card can be countered only as it's being played face-down. Flipping a creature up is not casting the creature, it is flipping up a creature that is already in play and thus can't be countered. |
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JVit
Joined: 30 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| You need to counter target activiated ability, like with Stifle. |
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Y2Jonline
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Stifle can't counter a creature unmorphing. If the creature has an ability that triggers when it's unmorphed, it can counter the ABILITY, but not the unmorph itself. |
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niknight
Joined: 14 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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the only time you can counter the creature is as they play it face down.
turning a creature face up is a special action. it cannot be countered by cards like stifle.
Also, morph itself is a static ability, which means no pithing needles/faith's fetters. |
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kfcman
Joined: 16 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| niknight wrote: | the only time you can counter the creature is as they play it face down.
turning a creature face up is a special action. it cannot be countered by cards like stifle.
Also, morph itself is a static ability, which means no pithing needles/faith's fetters. |
ok so if u fetter a morph i can still flip it
but when it flips is fetters still on it? |
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Ronnan
Joined: 08 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| yes |
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rickiep00h
Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Y2Jonline wrote: | | Stifle can't counter a creature unmorphing. If the creature has an ability that triggers when it's unmorphed, it can counter the ABILITY, but not the unmorph itself. |
Just to clarify: the countering with Stifle (or Voidslime, etc.) is of the TURNS FACE UP ability, not the MORPH ability. The turns-face-up is a triggered ability (i.e. "When...") and morph is a static ability.
So you can counter the morph creature when it is played, using any normal counter (the casting cost of the morph on the stack is 3). You can counter the turns-face-up ability after the creature morphs. You CANNOT counter the actual morph, though.
Morph is a fun ability with some neat effects, but the rules technicalities that come with it annoy the crap out of me. That Vesuvan Shapeshifter ruling? What the crap is that? |
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GnikXela
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Lets put it this way. The morphing ability doesn't use the stack. |
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Haro
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| GnikXela wrote: | | Lets put it this way. The flipping ability doesn't use the stack. |
There, fixed it for you.
Morphing = playing it facedown for 3 mana, which can be countered, responded to and is countered by counterbalance by a land.
Flipping = turning the card right side up, revealing the card. This ACT cannot be responded to, stifled, countered or whatever.
The 'proper' way to flip a card face up is reveal the card to everyone, thus revealing the cost, THEN pay the cost of it THEN you turn the card face up.
(this is important vs city of brass or something.) |
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GnikXela
Joined: 21 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| In my head, it is the same thing. I'll let you correct me for other people to know the proper terms. Appreciate it. |
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aldaryn
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:06 am Post subject: |
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I have another important question about countering morphs I figure I'll just add here instead of starting a new thread.
I know a face-down morph has cmc 0. But when you play the spell of the face-down morph, and pay 3, is its cmc on the stack 0 or 3? |
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ynnus
Joined: 26 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| i believe on the stack its still 0 mana. |
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darksigma
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Its still 0 mana. |
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