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| Is sosuke's summons broken? Should it be restricted to one? |
| Yes and yes. It's too broken to have it as a set. |
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| Yes and no. Broken cards are fun. |
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| No and no. Its just a good card. |
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zangief
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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 Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:54 am Post subject: Sosuke's Summons is so broken.. |
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1) its so easy to exploit. get 3 lands, cast it, then cast a sakura-tribe scout or any other snake with a low mana cost, and it goes back to hand, then cast it again and you get 2 more snakes. rinse and repeat, and you get something that cant be put away with wrath of god or any other creatures..
2) its difficult to counter. the only cards capable of shutting it down would be cranial extraction, quash, moratorium stone (if its still ni the graveyard), or any other card that can remove a card in a graveyard from the game. but what if your deck doesnt have black or blue? what if you have blue or black in your deck and have those in sideboard but you just cant draw them? what if you did get to cast them BUT the oponent countered it?
3) Green doesnt have problems with mana. We all know that. Lots of mana + sosuke's summons + snakes.. need i say more?
4) sosuke's summons + low mana cost snake + coat of arms = GG
what they shouldve done so summons wouldnt be so breoken should be:
1) upped summon's cast cost maybe around 4GG or something. that way it would take time for them to cast the thing over and over, making the opponent set up. or:
2) made summons return only if the snake's mana cost is around maybe 3 or more.
but they didnt, so maybe what they SHOULD do to fix this is to:
restrict it to one.
Thoughts? |
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thinktank
Joined: 14 May 2005
Posts: 129
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| meh, its a good card but in order for a card to be restricted a card has to have the power level of a card like academy, clamp, memory jar, in other words a card that is so incredibly powerful that it actually forces u to play it or u lose to it... i dont think sosuk'es summons is QUITE as powerful as a meta warping card such as clamp as its only good in one deck and that deck is pretty good but it is by no means the killer deck in the format like ravager... so just do what the rest of us do and sb agaisnt the deck with card slike pontif etc and learn to cope with the card. |
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flynnT
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 7:11 am Post subject: |
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why should summons be broken?
if it would be broken, snakes would absolutely dominate today's standard - which isn't the case, cause it's easy to hate. orzhov pontiff, pyroclasm, wrath of god, night of the souls betrayal, putrefy (for coat) or hinder (summons) are very strong an viable weapons vs. summons / snakes.
also, kamigawa block and with it sosuke's summons will rotate out of standard quite soon. this card is worthless in extended, legacy and vintage.
it's far from broken. |
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zangief
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 34
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| flynnT wrote: | why should summons be broken?
if it would be broken, snakes would absolutely dominate today's standard - which isn't the case, cause it's easy to hate. orzhov pontiff, pyroclasm, wrath of god, night of the souls betrayal, putrefy (for coat) or hinder (summons) are very strong an viable weapons vs. summons / snakes.
also, kamigawa block and with it sosuke's summons will rotate out of standard quite soon. this card is worthless in extended, legacy and vintage.
it's far from broken. |
well, those spells you mentioned, i can only see night of souls as a good option because it stays in play. but problem is sosuke's summon goes back to hand, the other mass-killing spells couldnt. what if 2 summons are in the graveyard, opponent casts a scout, and you have no creature control? i have a massive creature killer deck and i still got trampled by a swarm of snakes with a coat of arms. |
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Dr_Moo
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I'm hoping that this thread was a joke, but the topic's author does not seem to have any trace of sarcasm in his voice. But he's got to be fucking kidding here, right?
Sosuke's Summons broken? Restrict it? A 3-mana Sorcery that makes 2 1/1s? It could automatically buy itself back for 0 and it still wouldn't be broken. It's nowhere near the best card in Standard. Snakes is nowhere near the best deck in standard. Why aren't you complaining about something worth complaining about? |
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zangief
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 34
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| Dr_Moo wrote: | I'm hoping that this thread was a joke, but the topic's author does not seem to have any trace of sarcasm in his voice. But he's got to be fucking kidding here, right?
Sosuke's Summons broken? Restrict it? A 3-mana Sorcery that makes 2 1/1s? It could automatically buy itself back for 0 and it still wouldn't be broken. It's nowhere near the best card in Standard. Snakes is nowhere near the best deck in standard. Why aren't you complaining about something worth complaining about? |
i was hoping you could give a valid reason why you think its not broken. shouldve known ur just one of them dumbasses who loves to flame ppl. |
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iKe
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 524
Location: New York
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| It's definitly not broken it just makes snakes good. It can only be used in one deck and that one deck doesn't dominate the format. |
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zangief
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| iKe wrote: | | It's definitly not broken it just makes snakes good. It can only be used in one deck and that one deck doesn't dominate the format. |
yes, its only good for snake decks. i know what you mean, but the problem is that you wont have enough creature killer/wiper cards to take them all off, because theyll just go back and back until you run out of creature killer/wiper cards completely, and the fact that senshiro and coat of arms can make 1/1 tokens and turn them into +10/10 monsters in no time makes it pretty darn tough to overcome.
maybe im being too pouty about it, i dunno. but just think, what if 4 sosuke's summons are in the graveyard, and the opponent casts a scout or an elder. and he has enough mana to cast all them again.. |
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DRINKALCOHOL
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 265
Location: New Gunsqu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| It's a sorcery, that makes 1/1s. |
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zangief
Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| DRINKALCOHOL wrote: | | It's a sorcery, that makes 1/1s. |
aww thats sweet, now why dont you go along and play with ur other dollies first? the adults are talking.. |
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DRINKALCOHOL
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
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Location: New Gunsqu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| It's not broken at all. Stop whining. |
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RichardDWade
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Posts: 438
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Its case-sensitive. This card is so easy to get around. My junktroller>your sosukes summons. |
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xmtgjunkiex
Joined: 09 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: |
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a broken card is something that "warps" the format.
go back to cards like Skullclamp, necropotence, and similar "crazy good cards" like those.
Sosuke's Summons is merely a good card that helps fill a synergistic hole in the Snakes.dec by making lots of token dudes for the deck.
as has been said already plenty of ways to kill the creatures/tokens off : NoSB, WoG, pyro, evacuation, pontiff, etc etc.
this is like saying Simic Sky Swallower is broken because it cant be targetted.. come on... stop whining and work around it. |
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NahHolmes
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| zangief wrote: | | DRINKALCOHOL wrote: | | It's a sorcery, that makes 1/1s. |
aww thats sweet, now why dont you go along and play with ur other dollies first? the adults are talking.. |
1: Summons is not the least bit broken, you can't beat it because you suck.
2: DCI doesn't restrict cards in T2 anymore they just ban and even if they did restrict there is no way they'd restrict Summons. The last cards to be restricted in T2 were Ivory Tower and Black Vise.
3: Wow crying about Summons then insulting people... That's funny because the only thing I think anyone agrees on is that you need to stop whining.
4: Time Spiral rotates in October then Snakes will suck again, in the meantime don't expect any emergency bannings. |
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DRINKALCOHOL
Joined: 28 Mar 2006
Posts: 265
Location: New Gunsqu
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| Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:16 am Post subject: |
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LOL LOL LOL
Zangief u are a moron.
The 'adults' are all talking about how you're retarded for thinking Summons is broken.
Thank you tho, you being stupid is helping me pass time at work. |
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