league games

WildCard · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 735 Location: Japan

This is not an idea I came up with. But does solve a few problems. say you got this one dude who plays league all day and gets into the top whatever for a bye in the master. just casual rated games. hes played in sooo many he got up there. and when he does he bumps someone else off. that someone else plays in the trials and masters, maybe never getting to the top X but still a really awesome player. i have seen situation where its not the quality of the games you play its the quantity that gets you there. i did it myself to get a foil durress in arena league IRL, i played 250 games each loss counting for a point. just to have a married couple come to the store on the last day and they "found" sheets of them playing vs each other.. 500 matches, each lossbeing a point and each win being 2 points. they each had like 700 points, the same amount. i was cheated out of that foil duress. then theres another problem with league games. multi accounts. there is a way around all of this bullshit. alright where was i. oh yes. haveing league games be a catagory of there own. call it individual. DCI dosent allow single games, always in tourneys for rating. do you agree or disagree?

Vimes · Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 345

Well, that definitely makes sense. I'm not sure if this would mean completely abolishing the single matches or not, but either way I'm for it.

WildCard · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 735 Location: Japan

not abolishing them. just giving them a seperate rating catagory. but as noted my someone else that would also mean alot of people may not play league anymore and we would lose people

ColdBeer · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 97

i agree the ratings should be different for single matches, but for a different reason. Most players with high ratings will tell you "Stay away from single matches". as it stands now it seems to me that if you have a high ranking, you can only lose in playing single matches. Sure you can get some points, but chances are you are going to be playing a rogue deck that, although it beats you,
probably wont last 2 rounds against a tournament field of decks. Also, I like to play my rogue decks in single match play. If i come to every tourney with winning in mind then I will bring a deck i expect to beat the field. I like having something on the line when i play my rogue decks, but not my chances at a master.

btw, feel free to ignore all of this since my opinion probably does not count due to the fact that my ratings are god aweful.

tato- · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 130 Location: Colombia

I think that is better to eliminate single matches from m-l...that will solve some problems and some cheats...

WildCard · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 735 Location: Japan

not iliminate. just give it a seperate catagory.

Bejeezus · Joined: 12 Dec 2004 Posts: 1728 Location: Right Here

I understand what you're saying. But I would think those people that are being bumped off would feel a bit cheated. Details could be drawn from this.

And speaking of ratings categories, what ever happened to those country ratings?
- Bejeezus

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 322

I agree. It also stops people doing such unscrupulous things as, reporting single matches never played vs friends to bump there rating up to allow them to qualify for rating based events.

MarkTwainIII · Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 100

NahHolmes · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 561

Is this really a problem? I mean 1 point at a time? If someone wanted to get to the top of the ratings on single matches they would need about 300 wins in a row with no loses. Not likely. Sometimes there are no minis going on but you still want to play a rated match, time for league... Also good for other formats where it sucks to make a deck for a mini lose the first round and possibly never be able to play the deck again for points.

WildCard · Joined: 06 Sep 2004 Posts: 735 Location: Japan

it will be rated.. individual. this topic here is to discuss if its a good idea.

Koen · Administrator Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 336

The potential cheating should and could be prevented by building more checks to easily catch it. We already store all the required data for this.

I just don't think creating another category is the solution. It's really not that easy to qualify for Byes solely by single matches. Seeing how the average single match player is probably around 1600, getting to Top 16, currently 1848, requeres an average above 4-1 to gain anything. As mentioned, this is not easy vs. a really diverse metagame.

If anyone does get to the Byes zone in the ranking list by single matches, he'll surely be reviewed for any potential fraud. And if there's none, he'd just deserve the Byes like anyone else, because he's proven to posess the skills and put in a lot of dedication to reach the top.

Further, creating another category will also have downsides. Highly rated players with good ratings from the past need to participate in a k-value 16 tourney to remain active for the bi-monthly activity checks. (If you haven't played for 2 months, you'd be deleted from rating list). Now they can just do a single match and don't need to wait around for tourneys.

Another category will also be confusing for new players who want to check whether they are rated. Where to look? Will there be 4 more categories for single matches of Constructed, Limited, Eternal, Other?