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New Oath Creature?


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CoolinDenial



Joined: 06 Mar 2005
Posts: 204

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:23 am    Post subject: New Oath Creature? Reply with quote

Garza Zol, Plague Queen 4UBR
Legendary Creature - Vampire?
Flying, haste
Whenever a creature dealt damage by Garza Zol, Plague Queen this turn is put into a graveyard, put a +1/+1 counter on Garza Zol.
Whenever Garza Zol deals combat damage to a player, you may draw a card.
5/5


So, is this better in Oath than Razia?
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Dr_Moo



Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 969

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, it isn't even better than Rorix Bladewing. The difference between 5 and 6 damage is often a full turn. Tapping to attack puts it way behind Razia.
I think the line of succession goes:
Akroma
Razia
Spirit of the Night
Rorix
possibly something else i'm forgetting
this guy

and then Auriok Salvagers is on a different line somewhere that's behind this line.
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DarkfnTempla



Joined: 02 Mar 2005
Posts: 119

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simic ss is unbeatable if it lands in vintage.
Akroma
Rasia
Spirit
SSS
Colosus
Rorix
That piece
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gumonshoe



Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 433

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the lack of haste makes sss a little iffy though...
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GRAH



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gumonshoe wrote:
the lack of haste makes sss a little iffy though...

SSS is a fine replacement for Pristine/Iridescent Angel, which is often used in Oath SBs.
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Dr_Moo



Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 969

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DarkfnTempla wrote:
simic ss is unbeatable if it lands in vintage.
Akroma
Rasia
Spirit
SSS
Colosus
Rorix
That piece


I don't think Colossus belongs on the list. He can't possibly make the maindeck with 4 quality 6-power fliers available, and there are at least 3 better board options. Colossus just isn't good with Welder around. If you don't hit Blessing, there's going to be Welder food in the yard.
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Prot



Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

auriok salvager, lotus or lions eye, pyrite spellbomb> other oath decks
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GRAH



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killa_Cam wrote:
auriok salvager, lotus or lions eye, pyrite spellbomb> other oath decks

Yes, because clunky combos > straightforwardness for sure!
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Prot



Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone else i hate in this world raoing my parents as my half murder siblings watch as they sit in a pool of theyre own blood > GRAH
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Prot



Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plus ots type one where every removal spell is playable like this one called swords to plowshares which i hear is ok, auriok is muchos better
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Prot



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW i mean "raping" and "murderd"
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kfcman1084



Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats a little weird
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GRAH



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 599

PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Killa_Cam wrote:
Plus ots type one where every removal spell is playable like this one called swords to plowshares which i hear is ok, auriok is muchos better

...Salvagers dies just as easily, if not more, to STP, and pretty much screws itself over if it doesn't hit the combo pieces when it Oaths. Not to mention it keels over to far more disruption, including the oft-used ROD and Pithing Needle, as well as any graveyard hate, which is plentiful.

Your ineptitude is astounding.
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Dr_Moo



Joined: 26 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salvagers Oath is cool. "Normal" Oath is good. When Oath triggers, you should win. Not hope to hit the right combination of cards AND have a white source in play.
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Prot



Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GRAH, Id like to first say I hate you. second auriok kills like 3 turns quicker, That is good right? killing your opponet quicker? Now I am not positive just i heard this thing from a guy in the bathroom at this place that it was.
GRAH please explain why Auriok is worse, ill reiterate, 3 turns quicker, thats good right?

I'm tight
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