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RUIN YOUR CARDS! PLAYTESTING



 
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WildCard
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:19 pm    Post subject: RUIN YOUR CARDS! PLAYTESTING Reply with quote

I've been thinking about this... people often argue on how many cards to run in a deck, 2-3 of this 3-4 of that, card X is Y 5-8, 5-7...

how do they know this?

Lets say you number each card in your deck, Ill give a few examples...
springleaf drum and mox opal in affinity, 1-whatever or however number your playing

terramorphic expanse and evolving wilds in T2 decks 1-whatever

test it out, maybe, something like 20-30 games pre-sideboard, 30-40 games post sideboard per deck you want to test against, write down which cards you actually drew.

cause here is the thinking: yeah, 4 mox opal's but you never draw #2, ok, well that's bad, and yeah its luck, you may draw it if you played another game. or what if you drew Mox opal #2 and another mox most games, replace #2 with a card you would have rather drawn.

so instead of drawing 2 Mox opals most games and cutting the number down so it doesn't happen you test the deck as if each card is different.

Thoughts? how would you mark the card? what about in tournaments?

I can see it in play-testing, a simple piece of paper, but in tourneys? you'd have to write on the card... and it gives your opponent information on how many your running.

For good discussion (and any good discussion for that matter, like a debate) talking about the other side of the discussion is vastly more helpful. ("That dosent matter, its all random, I tried it and hit all the different #s about the same variance", instead of "its random dosent matter", cause I don't want to have to ask why to every post, just answer the why)
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Steveman



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 ofs = cards you want to see in your opening hand
3 ofs = cards you want to see in your opening hand but don't want to draw multiples of (Legendary permanents / Planeswalkers)
2 ofs = cards that are expensive
1 of = cards you want to tutor for
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WildCard
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

stats and probability? go play at a casino... I'm talking about ACTUALLY trying this out. cause really, 15 4-ofs, your only seeing 7 cards in your opening hand
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WildCard
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the problem, Numbers and stats and probability of the game are so ingrained in the minds of magic players that they cant take a step back and look at it differently. know who this differently? top players of magic, I remember reading about that WW deck that won a T2 tourney prior to the rotation that ran a 1-of, why? cause it tested well. its wasn't mathematically sound was it? you don't create a winning deck-list from statistics. you create a deck-list from playing. and all I'm wondering about, is if you number your cards in your play-testing what will you find?
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Farseer
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildCard wrote:
I remember reading about that WW deck that won a T2 tourney prior to the rotation that ran a 1-of, why? cause it tested well.


More information needded to assess that statemet. What was the exact decklist and what was the card?
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brimstone



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the single stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Actually no words to describe this. Sad
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WildCard
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brimstone wrote:
This is the single stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Actually no words to describe this. Sad


suck a , I expect more from judges then just this, if your not going to add to the conversation ad just flame instead, delete your account and burn your computer.
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foshm
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildCard wrote:
brimstone wrote:
This is the single stupidest thing I have read in a long time. Actually no words to describe this. Sad


suck a , I expect more from judges then just this, if your not going to add to the conversation ad just flame instead, delete your account and burn your computer.


Flame, counterflame. Good job.
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Hardtrack



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaaaand then a lock.
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