grove of the burnwillows

poolhustla · Joined: 25 Dec 2005 Posts: 65

i see everyone running punishing fire, and by no means am i questioning this card choice, i am curious why no one is running kavu predator as well in these lists.

SugarShark · Joined: 22 Mar 2009 Posts: 458

kavu predator gains +1 +1 with grove of the burnwillows
I hope this answers your question

TugaChampion · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 568

Punishing fire can kill many creatures or it can be a slow but sure winning condition (unless something exiles it). Kavu can be killed sometimes even before dealing damage. It's not amazingly fast and it isn't a good enough winning condition.

coolcreep · Joined: 18 Feb 2006 Posts: 560

kavu predator needs grove of the burnwillows to be good. Tarmogoyf does not. That is all.

Jacois · Joined: 05 Sep 2004 Posts: 721

orphan · Joined: 18 Aug 2008 Posts: 26

is it a good idea? absolutely? is it practical? not at all. in the zoo deck, especially the techy angel zoo deck, each creatures is supposed to be an efficient beater. Goyf, Wild Nactal, KoTR, and Baneslayer are the most efficient creatures at their CC. Pridemage is a utility card that zoo cant afford to cut; letting the opponent's jitte/ or shackels stick is kind of a a problem for zoo. So what creature do you cut for the potentially insanity of predator? i think the answer is you don't cut anything and you let the time spiral block deck stay a thing of the past.

Thicket · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 119

I agree punishing fire is a good card, but what confuses me is that the ONLY "give opponent life" card I see in any list with it is the Grove of Burnwillows. Is Fire THAT devastating with that being the only trigger for its re-use? Or am I missing something? If you don't get one of 4 cards in 60 in addition to it, it's basically a really shitty lightning bolt. Life gain doesnt seem that prevalent in extended (correct me if im wrong on that)

dwarfas · Joined: 26 Jul 2009 Posts: 55

Look. your opponent has board control and you just need to do the last 4-6 damage so you use punishing fire over n over again.

he gets+1 then-2. rinse repeat he's dead. It's a win condition after say mass removal etc. Say you are up against another zoo deck... wow superior removal yay you win because all his guys are dead and you can swing through.

Or say you are up against BG cloud. Garruk hits the board you need to do 4 damage. good ol punishing fire!

See we can't use fireball because fireball is too slow in the early game. This card is 2 mana and is fast spot removal. Late game it is card advantage.

Kavu doesn't give board control. it just grows. If it was good then I am sure the more powerful Scute Mob would see play.