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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:57 am Post subject: R/G Warrior |
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I got this list from Deckcheck but I was wondering if there was any adjustments people would make.
Mainboard:
4 Treetop Village
4 Karplusan Forest
3 Llanowar Reborn
4 Fire-Lit Thicket
6 Mountain
2 Forest
1 Ghitu Encampment
4 Bramblewood Paragon
4 Chameleon Colossus
4 Imperious Perfect
4 Wren's Run Vanquisher
4 Radha, Heir to Keld
4 Taurean Mauler
4 Incinerate
4 Flame Javelin
4 Dead / Gone
Sideboard:
2 Cloudthresher
2 Sulfurous Blast
3 Kitchen Finks
2 Lash Out
2 Utopia Vow
2 Riftsweeper
2 Tormod's Crypt |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1442
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| A way of making Radha bigger or something clearing the path. I.e more instants. |
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skilla420
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 258
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Why the utopia vow? Usually people use it on creatures like leech bonder for a -1/-1 gun.
Overall neat deck though. |
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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| I think replacing dead/gone with firespout would be a good idea because most of the time your creatures will have more than 3 toughness, just depends on the sequence you played your creatures. |
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twodioz
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 105
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| why no mana creatures? I think Bird or llanowar elves should be in somewhere. |
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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Llanowar Elves would be nice to have in the deck but I don't see what I would replace for them. Do you have any suggestions for what you would take out for them? |
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Nitwad
Joined: 11 Oct 2005 Posts: 6
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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you seem to have forgotten obsidian battle-axe.
also, radha is legendary. 4 of her is unnecessary. |
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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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Battle Axe is unnecessary for the deck because of all the +1/+1 my creatures get from perfect/paragon/ opponent's spells(taurean mauler)
Adjustments made
-1 Radha
-1 Taurean Mauler
+3 Llanowar Elves
-1 Ghitu Encampment
-1 Treetop Village
-3 Llanowar Reborn
-1 Mountain
+5 Forest
This has a little better mana curve and less CIPT lands. But I was wondering, which is better for this deck, Lash out or Dead/Gone? |
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Kaos
Joined: 01 Oct 2004 Posts: 30
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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More burn, less bad creatures.... ehh, more Goyfs....
Just run Dropping a Deus or Rg Goyfagg..... this is a similar idea, but it's running worse cards. |
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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I would of thought the same thing if it didn't win National Qualifiers in Germany and placed 2nd at the Italian National Qualifiers. Who knows maybe they don't have goyfs or deus there, maybe thats why they don't play them..... I don't think so, I think they play these cards for a reason and beat decks with goyfs in them because there is synergy between all the cards. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1442
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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If you are going to play Goyf in a deck which likes to attack early on, it needs 4 Tarfire or 4 Thoughtseize main. Otherwise Tarmogoyf doesn't count as a 2-drop. In the RDW+Goyf decks he isn't meant to deal damage early on, so he works there. He also fits into BG Rock.
So Tarmogoyf isn't very good in that deck. If he added Rift Bolt and Tarfire, sure, but not instead of Taurean Mauler for instance. Spending a turn to drop a 1/2 or 0/1 is a waste of time in an aggressive deck.
The problem with the Warrior theme is that you are selecting only from a limited pool of creature cards because of one card in the deck: Bramblewood Paragon. If you draw it in your opening hand, if it survives to your next turn, and if you got other Warriors in your hand and the mana to play it, that creature will get +1/+1. If that creature survives until your next turn (turn 4 the earliest), you can attack with it to deal 1 extra damage and if Paragon is still alive, it may have trample. This needs to happen in this exact order for the theme to have any sense at all.
As you see, Bramblewood Paragon isn't very good, and it is definitely not good enough to be the card a deck is built around. Either add more Warrior-stuff or drop the theme altogether. |
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TekNique
Joined: 19 Mar 2008 Posts: 157
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Thats not completely the case because it is secretly an elf deck. Since every creature is an elf not only does the paragon juice them if he is played first but also perfect pumps them no matter when. Aside from that 2 of them can get pumped with their own abilities, colossus and mauler. But the deck just tries to get rahda out with burn spells in hand. Attack and burn away their creatures or use the spell on the player for extra damage. The fastest the deck can be is turn 5 win. |
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NinjaCan
Joined: 28 May 2008 Posts: 54
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I have been boarding Faerie Macabre instead of tormod's crypt with amazing results. They see crypt on the board and get rid of it, where as with macabre you can instantly respond to their selection in the graveyard that they want to bring back, for no mana, at instant speed, uncounterable because it is an activated ability. I've like won games with it, they never see it coming, tap out to evoke him thinking they're going to own me, Macabre their targets, swing, win. |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 1442
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| TekNique wrote: | | Thats not completely the case because it is secretly an elf deck. Since every creature is an elf not only does the paragon juice them if he is played first but also perfect pumps them no matter when. Aside from that 2 of them can get pumped with their own abilities, colossus and mauler. But the deck just tries to get rahda out with burn spells in hand. Attack and burn away their creatures or use the spell on the player for extra damage. The fastest the deck can be is turn 5 win. |
Yes but then the strongest moves are to either drop a Vanquisher then a Perfect for heavy early beating; or to drop a Radha and then burn their blockers while continuing to drop creatures b/c of Radha mana.
The Paragon move is a weaker move than both of those, so when it is that sub-optimal, why is it there? Wouldn't it be better to just strengthen the Vanquisher/Radha moves somehow? |
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skilla420
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 258
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| NinjaCan wrote: | | I have been boarding Faerie Macabre instead of tormod's crypt with amazing results. They see crypt on the board and get rid of it, where as with macabre you can instantly respond to their selection in the graveyard that they want to bring back, for no mana, at instant speed, uncounterable because it is an activated ability. I've like won games with it, they never see it coming, tap out to evoke him thinking they're going to own me, Macabre their targets, swing, win. |
You had me until the last sentence. What do they evoke, what gets tapped out, and how does macabre-ing their targets help you win? I know that macabre is an awesome card though. |
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