Project 420.5 - black version

Hirotsu · Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 10

Ok, I've been trying my best to find a new deck for like the past 3 months that I would enjoy playing, and to my surprise, I saw the new Project-X deck that was piloted to top 4 a few tourneys ago on ML. I decided to take a look at the list, just to see what it was about, and I must say, I really do like the idea. The only problem I had with it, was the inclusion of red...now, it might just be me, but I don't think that red's got the consistency that a black version would have, so I gave it a try for an experimental build, here's what I've come up with:

// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)

// Lands
1 [FUT] Horizon Canopy
3 [9E] Caves of Koilos
2 [10E] Llanowar Wastes
2 [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
4 [MOR] Murmuring Bosk
3 [LRW] Forest (2)
2 [8E] Swamp (4)
1 [US] Plains (3)

// Creatures
3 [CS] Juniper Order Ranger
4 [MI] Wall of Roots
3 [SHM] Murderous Redcap
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
2 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [10E] Nantuko Husk
4 [10E] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
3 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
4 [FUT] Glittering Wish
2 [LRW] Primal Command
3 [TSP] Tendrils of Corruption
2 [10E] Sylvan Scrying

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [CS] Juniper Order Ranger
SB: 1 [SHM] Murderous Redcap
SB: 1 [LRW] Brion Stoutarm
SB: 1 [SHM] Firespout
SB: 1 [SHM] Dawnglow Infusion
SB: 1 [TSB] Fiery Justice
SB: 1 [TSP] Harmonic Sliver
SB: 1 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 2 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 1 [SHM] Wheel of Sun and Moon
SB: 1 [SHM] Heartmender
SB: 3 [LRW] Cloudthresher

Basically, I threw in birds for speed issues, and I'm using tendrils instead of damnation to keep my mana on the board. Sylvan scrying is in there to fetch a mine or an urborg, depending on the situation (i.e. do i need to tendrils now? or use a wish to get a kill condition like brion). I like the use of nantuko husk over greater gargadon and brion, just because I can do what I could do with 2 cards, with just one. Seems easier, right? I've been tossing around the idea of putting in harmonize, just because getting to that husk seems to be my only problem, since I've got wishes to get the other combo pieces. And I threw in Garruk, just because say if my combo flops, garruk can still provide a win condition for me.

I'd like to keep it in G/B/W. So any comments/criticism would be good to hear, as long as you're keeping it within those colors.

And thanks to keysam for piloting his version to a position that would catch my eye, heh.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 658

there is no reason to play black over red

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 838

Hirotsu · Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 10

really? on paper, you don't want a more consistent and stable win-outlet through the husk? rather than through brion and gargadon? (not saying those are bad at all though).

I said it seemed more consistant with black instead of red, due to going from needing 2 cards for your kill, down to 1. what combo deck doesn't like being able to reduce the number of pieces needed to win, while achieving the exact same effect?

KeySam · Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 491

If you play black i would do an aggresive approach, if you just play black for husk its a lot worse then red, because husk dies and gargadon not. I changed the red version now a lot, to be able to beat faeries. Its more aggresive then the old version. Anyway back on topic, if you play black i would play Doran and bitterlossom. And maybe a redundant sacrifice outlet in mirror entity or Marsh flitter(both more situantional). Anyway gl with your build.

edit: I wouldnt say the mana base is a lot more consistent with gwb then gbr, because gbr gets more duals(although bosk is good no question).

KeySam

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 44

Why no Finks SB? :O 3 main 1 SB sounds good. Hmm and Safehold Elite too bad?

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 658

Deuce · Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 44

I really like husk more than gargadon myself and GWB is better than GRW for mana. Btw, why not Reflecting Pool or two?

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 658

the mana is better when your not rly using black to its full potentiel. if your going to play gwb just play doran rock.

center425 · Joined: 06 May 2006 Posts: 327

Look at my list, try for something like that.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 658

how does having brion and gargadon not more consistent than having husk. im pretty sure having 6 cards that win are better than 4. i dont think you understand fully how the combo goes off. if your going to play like a sub optimal doran deck then why not just play an optimal doran list.

natethetank · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 67

this makes no sense. if you play red your playing an optimal combo aggro deck but if you play black your just a suboptimal doran deck. the diffrence between them is minimal at best but black provides strong cards like bitterblossum, doran and husk not to mention possible others we havent thought about. it seems as if your just throwing off one build becuase its not the build you would choose. i dont think his build is right but that doesnt mean black is wrong.

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 658

i would rather play an optimal list then a sub optimal list, if black is sub optimal then why would you play it?

natethetank · Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 67

Hirotsu · Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 10

my question, gypsy, is why are you attempting to make the argument that this should just be a doran rock. not every deck that's gwb HAS to be doran-rock.