inkfathom witch +lord of atlantis

marten2 · Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 12

when answering my question, please refer to rules sections, or at least make sure I understand why your answer is the correct one. I ask for this because, I have had different answers from different judges in j4u.

I have a lord of atlantis in play and activate my inkfathom witch. what will the p/t of my unblocked creatures be?

gypsy · Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 416

5/2 if the unblocked creatures are merfolk

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 406

witch changes their base stats, then you apply continuous effects like lords or counters (if your opponent has -1/-1 counters on a dude, and they swing, you can kill it with witch by not blocking, i find this amusing)

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234

Lord of Atlantis & Inkfathom Witch.

Assuming they are Merfolk and unblocked they'll be 5/2.

The ability of Lord of Atlantis is a static ability and therefor applied in layer 6d, after the P/T setting ability, which is applied in layer 6b.

418.5a The values of an object’s characteristics are determined by starting with the actual object, then applying continuous effects in a series of layers in the following order: (1) copy effects (see rule 503, “Copying Objects”); (2) control-changing effects; (3) text-changing effects; (4) type-changing effects (which includes effects that change an object’s card type, subtype, and/or supertype); (5) all other continuous effects, except those that change power and/or toughness; and (6) power- and/or toughness-changing effects.
Inside each layer from 1 through 5, apply effects from characteristic-defining abilities first, then all other effects in timestamp order. Inside layer 6, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the following order: (6a) effects from characteristic-defining abilities; (6b) all other effects not specifically applied in 6c, 6d, or 6e; (6c) changes from counters; (6d) effects from static abilities that modify power and/or toughness but don’t set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value; and (6e) effects that switch a creature’s power and toughness. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a layer or sublayer. See also the rules for timestamp order and dependency (rules 418.5b–418.5g).

kfcman · Joined: 16 Sep 2006 Posts: 577

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 234