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| What would your ideal cost/prize pool ratio for weekly sanctioned tournaments be? |
| $5 Entry, 1 Pack per person |
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77% |
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| $10, 2 Packs |
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11% |
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| $15, 3 Packs |
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11% |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:20 am Post subject: Tournament Cost Survey |
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My friends and I are going to start hosting sanctioned tournaments out here in Muskegon, MI. soon, hopefully. When discussing how much to charge, we came up with a few options.
What would you want for weekly tournaments? Cheaper entries for some easy fun? Or would you rather have it be a little more expensive for more packs?
To give a little more informations on the options:
$5 Dollars, 1 Pack a person, so 8 packs at the min. 8 players, 1st 4 packs, 2nd 2, 3rd & 4th 1 each.
$10, 2 packs, 16 packs min, 8 players, 1st 8, 2nd 5, 3rd 2, 4th 1
$15, 3 packs, 24 pack min, 8 players, 1st 12, 2nd 7, 3rd 3, 4th 2.
$20, 4 packs, 32 packs min, 8players, 1st 16, 2nd 10, 3rd 4, 4th 2.
We decided on 50%, 30%, 13%, and then leftovers to fourth. Each is rounded to the nearest.
I don't really know how it is in other areas, but its usually about $10 bucks out here. I'm not sure what they put in the prize pools either. I just can remember the old days when it was $5 bucks, and it was so much nicer back then. Of course, prizes are down, because of the raise in price since then. |
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EyeOfMadness
Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 91
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:32 am Post subject: |
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If these people are serious about the game, they aren't going to want to spend 4 hours and 5 dollars for 4 packs. I would spend the extra ten for $36 more worth of prizes.
But if it is all casual and new players, cheaper might be better. |
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AlexTrebek
Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 145
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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50%, 25%, 12.5%, 12.5% is a better way imo.
I think your standard would be $5 and maybe once a month run a bigger tournament for $15-20. If it's sanctioned, people would gladly waste 3 hours for 3 rounds of a cheap sanctioned tournament (there is no sanctioned tourney in my area and most of the people would be chomping at the bit for one, so i'd assume that would be true most places) |
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Dehydration
Joined: 21 Sep 2004 Posts: 193
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I dont know about everyone else, but for my local tournaments, it is $5 for 2 packs a person, and $10 for a draft with 1 pack per person prize. I know this is amazing prize support, but it does bring people into the store where a lot of people happily buy $100 boxes and $4 packs, not to mention that people like me buy mountains of sleeves too. They make like nothing on the tournys, but a lot on the accessories. |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| EyeOfMadness wrote: | If these people are serious about the game, they aren't going to want to spend 4 hours and 5 dollars for 4 packs. I would spend the extra ten for $36 more worth of prizes.
But if it is all casual and new players, cheaper might be better. |
Yeah, thats my main worry. I know it's not much. First place still gets some profit, but not much. Perhaps, we can do 1.5 packs? Three packs for every two people. That would mean. 6 for first, 4 four second, 1, and 1. That is, if it's only 8 people. I really don't want to be just another tournament. I want to offer it cheap.
Now, the other thing is, the only other places around here are either 20 minutes away, or only have tournaments once a month. So, I'm wondering how many people we can bring in. We currently have free space to hold the tournaments, but its not that big of an area. With some fold out tables, we could probably get about 6 to 8 matches going at a time. So if we bring in a lot of people, we'll have to find somewhere else, that will most likely cost us. We'd have to raise prices. |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Dehydration wrote: | | I dont know about everyone else, but for my local tournaments, it is $5 for 2 packs a person, and $10 for a draft with 1 pack per person prize. I know this is amazing prize support, but it does bring people into the store where a lot of people happily buy $100 boxes and $4 packs, not to mention that people like me buy mountains of sleeves too. They make like nothing on the tournys, but a lot on the accessories. |
Well, thats great. I wish it was like that out here. We aren't selling product, so we can't make up for losses there. Perhaps, in the future, we can do that. I mean, we are 3 17-19 year olds here, haha. Sadly, I'm probably the smartest, and most motivated. I want to be able to make at least some profit to pay off the original investments, and slowly make more and more for future plans. |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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| AlexTrebek wrote: | 50%, 25%, 12.5%, 12.5% is a better way imo.
I think your standard would be $5 and maybe once a month run a bigger tournament for $15-20. If it's sanctioned, people would gladly waste 3 hours for 3 rounds of a cheap sanctioned tournament (there is no sanctioned tourney in my area and most of the people would be chomping at the bit for one, so i'd assume that would be true most places) |
I was hoping that would bring in the people. Like I said above, we only have sanctioned in the immediate once a month, and that just started. I sadly played in tons of unsanctioned tournaments when I finally got better. I have probably 10 1st places, that I got no points or player reward marks for.  |
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ant900
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2449 Location: somewhere
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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are you planning to do this at a store or anything? or at your house? location also tends to bring in more people (you will get more people if you have it at a local comic book store than your house)
for the first one or two try just 5 dollars, that should get some people to first start comming, and then when you get more people ask them if they want to increase the cost for more prize support |
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DoItFaster
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I think some cheaper tournaments would be good because you can give the more experienced players a little practice with some reward and it would let beginners experience tournies with little loss when they are eliminated 2nd round (the first maybe 5 tournies I went to I paid 20 bucks to be eliminated in the 2nd round). Then do a more expensive tourny once a month... or the Saturday after the less expensive tourney. |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| ant900 wrote: | are you planning to do this at a store or anything? or at your house? location also tends to bring in more people (you will get more people if you have it at a local comic book store than your house)
for the first one or two try just 5 dollars, that should get some people to first start comming, and then when you get more people ask them if they want to increase the cost for more prize support |
We are doing at our current hang out spot, our workplace, Chilln Chili Dogs. They aren't open on Sundays, and since we pretty much run the place ourselves, we asked if we could use the store on Sunday's for tournaments. Whoever is the TO for the day will be also cooking food for anyone that wants to buy some. That way, the store makes money, which is why we get to use it for free.
There isn't any comic book store, or geek hang out we can do it at here. We use to have The Arena, and they lost their building, and then did monthlys, but by the time they got another building, they had new lives. So they went back to monthlys at the local bowling alley. The only comic book shop owner, hates magic, and players alike, and his store is too small anyways. Thats why we are doing this all. We want a place to play. People to play against. |
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Backwardpawn
Joined: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 15
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| also, what features would you guys like to see on a local area magic website? This is less important then the main topic, so don't worry too much about it. |
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den18
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 394
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it just me but you could jsut not guarentee a pack per person. That way although everyoen deosnt get soemthing the prizes ar ehigher for first place and so on |
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ant900
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2449 Location: somewhere
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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| den18 wrote: | | Is it just me but you could jsut not guarentee a pack per person. That way although everyoen deosnt get soemthing the prizes ar ehigher for first place and so on |
that would cost more money than 5 dollars then
also if your planning to have a sanctioned event i do hope you are a J1, atleast. and if you are you can post it on mtg.com and that might help you get some more people |
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DaMasta
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 86
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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$5 A person is pretty good. They're not worried about spending 3 hours cause what else would they do during the day? Probally they would just go and play for fun.
But if you would want to make more money you should make the tourney $8 and offer 12 packs distirbuted however you want it. You could do $10 but $8 is probally better cause even though its only a $2 difference 8 just sounds better to people then 10. |
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ant900
Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2449 Location: somewhere
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| it is like gas going for 2.23 99/100... |
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