Classic Tog vs Loam Tog

XJapanSanctu · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 4

All the versions have strenghts/weaknesses.

Scepter-tog is the best of the 5 builds (you forgot to mention just green with deeds without life enginge, but i guess that build maybe outdated due to life runs the same now anyway, and Billys tog/madness hybrid). I think, however, that many players (including me) have not tested and understood LoTL tog yet (yes, that means you, magic league noober you havent played it enough) and that's why nobody should actually answer this question. Come back in 2 months, then your answers are more valid.

Until then, my argument is:

UBr Scepter-tog is the best, along with Moreno's hybrid, but it's just that in the current meta it can't work (scepter, because with putrefy, deeds or hate vs affinity). However, in about 1 and a half, max 2 months I think this will die down soon, as affinity didnt prove itself at the PT and that the rock will lose popularity to also bad results. So the deck to play is SCEPTER-TOG.

This is why you always have to be one step ahead of everyone else; think one step beyond everyone else what the next meta will be etc.

Scepter tog has so many stronger strengths than UB that i dont even need to explain it. Faster, more explosive, better card quality (no situational force spikes), better sticks, same creatures but more choices, better card draw and more colors with the amazing fire/ice. The only weakness would be the hate+ inconsistency/manabase. But the strengths make up the weaknesses and when the meta changes, ScepterTog will be the one.

People were saying the same crap last year "bla bla, too much affinity (which was popular, since Canali had won the PT and every scrub and his mother were running the vial mage afinity deck, scepter-tog is never gonna be good bla bla" well i still sure did win my local ptq with just scepter-tog. People have THE FEAR, and THE FEAR is what makes you lose. It has everything Scepter-chant has, + better creatures, access to black for cranial ext, duress, better removal in smother, fire/ice etc.Scepter-tog is the deck.

Trotsky1 · Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 744

Both lists have proved there strength, to me this questionare almost comes down too a question of combo or control, as dredge atog can be viewed as more combo and straight up atog as more controlling. So yes either a meta or personal prefernce on play style.

TacoMaster · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 16

TacoMaster · Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 16

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ChristPunchr · Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 359

Patience young one, partience. Double posting makes you look like a fool. Did scepter tog even manage to place in the top sixteen? Conisidering the seeming poularity of chromos, swords/jittes and chant decks overall, omitting scepter from your tog deck is prbably a good idea. One less weakness on the board gives your opponent more dead cards and more room for your sideboard choices to come out of no where...I could be wrong but I am a firm believer that there is still tech out there. Pro tour just showed us how one very lame(lacking character etc,not quality...tog is good,we all know that)deck can come on top(heh heh). Judging by the decks by the numbers along with the huge list of repetitive decks the format is still by and large unexplored. It is proven that for extended and standard of the days of yor that if you don't really know what to expect exactly,play permission.

idler · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 80

Okmar · Joined: 26 Feb 2005 Posts: 383

just cause you dislike what people say dosent make them idiotic, sry if you dont understand this concept then give up in life now...you will be screwed Sad

Dr_Moo · Joined: 26 Nov 2004 Posts: 950

Nassif went 3-0 with Scepter Tog at the Invitational last year. It's viable, at worst.

Tog in any form is largely irrelevant right now, though. The two best decks in extended are Ichorid and Affinity, both of which demolish Tog.

DarkSabre · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 5

The reason that cunning wish is not used is because it is slow, and inherently card disadvantage...
You are spending 2U to nothing to board position... and you are wishing for somehting that your deck should be able to handle in the mainboard.

Kholdstare · Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Posts: 49

i would like to throw out there for people who watched the webcasts of teh finals not to base your opinion on that...because billy moreno was playing like an idiot. also, there was an interesting conversation about whether control beats aggro control or if aggro control beats control. they compared these two decks and mike flores said he would rather play antoines deck because the mana base is more consistant. however he also said he thoguht billys deck was the best deck in the top 8...very interesting.