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Delicious
Joined: 08 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: All Piped Out |
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// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
6 [TSP] Forest (2)
3 [LRW] Mountain (1)
4 [LRW] Plains (2)
3 [10E] Terramorphic Expanse
3 [10E] Brushland
2 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
// Creatures
2 [LRW] Ajani Goldmane
3 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
2 [10E] Troll Ascetic
3 [LRW] Hearthcage Giant
4 [10E] Birds of Paradise
3 [TSP] Bogardan Hellkite
2 [LRW] Cloudgoat Ranger
3 [LRW] Guardian of Cloverdell
4 [10E] Elvish Piper
// Spells
4 [LRW] Crib Swap
3 [TSP] Lotus Bloom
2 [TSB] Fiery Justice
4 [FUT] Coalition Relic
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 3 [10E] Story Circle
SB: 3 [LRW] Eyes of the Wisent
SB: 1 [10E] Troll Ascetic
SB: 3 [10E] Pyroclasm
SB: 1 [TSB] Fiery Justice
With the Few creatures with great CIP abilities i was surprised when i hadn't seen an Elvish piper deck yet, so i thought i should make one.
The playability is really easy but it's a little slow at times and i was wondering if anyone had some help that they could give me.
I think the premise is good, but today's meta online is all about th quicker the better and the more control the better. i would like to try and get around that some how.
But eyes of the wisent is basically GG against any blue deck that can't bounce the permanant. |
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gushatog
Joined: 19 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| pretty sure that seige-gang commander > cloudgoat |
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Avata
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, if you switch cloodgoat for siege gang, you can cut the white altogether. |
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Delicious
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | | Yep, if you switch cloodgoat for siege gang, you can cut the white altogether. |
this made no sense |
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stew19
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | | Yep, if you switch cloodgoat for siege gang, you can cut the white altogether. |
umm there are other white spells he needs so you're comment can be cut altogether =] |
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Avata
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| C-Stewart wrote: | | Avata wrote: | | Yep, if you switch cloodgoat for siege gang, you can cut the white altogether. |
umm there are other white spells he needs so you're comment can be cut altogether =] |
I guess I can spell it out for you more clearly, since you'd rather flame than think.
There are three white cards in the deck:
1. Cloudgoat Ranger - Better replaced with Siege Gang Commander.
2. Ajani Goldmane - doesn't really help the "power out big guys" strategy and could easily be replaced with another card, say Garruk, if you're attached to having a planeswalker, since he does power out fat guys.
3. Crib Swap - Not a terribly efficient spell to begin with, and the deck has no need for tribal spells specifically. This could easily be replaced with Incinerate, an extra troll, more fat guys, Molten Disaster, etc. |
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billjoar
Joined: 30 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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C-stewart wrote:
[/quote]so you're comment[/quote]
Nice fail . . . |
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Delicious
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | | C-Stewart wrote: | | Avata wrote: | | Yep, if you switch cloodgoat for siege gang, you can cut the white altogether. |
umm there are other white spells he needs so you're comment can be cut altogether =] |
I guess I can spell it out for you more clearly, since you'd rather flame than think.
There are three white cards in the deck:
1. Cloudgoat Ranger - Better replaced with Siege Gang Commander.
2. Ajani Goldmane - doesn't really help the "power out big guys" strategy and could easily be replaced with another card, say Garruk, if you're attached to having a planeswalker, since he does power out fat guys.
3. Crib Swap - Not a terribly efficient spell to begin with, and the deck has no need for tribal spells specifically. This could easily be replaced with Incinerate, an extra troll, more fat guys, Molten Disaster, etc. |
Wow, people give actual advice here still. i must be lucky
1. Defintly. i have been testing and i get better results if i get stuck with no piper
2. i'm not attached to a planeswalker, i was just using Ajani's vigalence ability. ut garruk could better, i'll have to test
3. i agree, i just wanted a remove in there and it has hurt me in the past when a tarmo gets a nice little extra boost from it. i was thinking maybe even thrwing in some gargon's becaus emy pipers and birds always get hated, might as well use their deaths, eh? |
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Delicious
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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So this is how the revisions have gone so far:
Lots of stuff + and -, so i guess just look it over
// Lands
6 [TSP] Forest (2)
5 [LRW] Mountain (1)
3 [10E] Terramorphic Expanse
2 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
1 [LRW] Plains (2)
3 [10E] Karplusan Forest
// Creatures
4 [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4 [10E] Troll Ascetic
3 [LRW] Hearthcage Giant
4 [10E] Birds of Paradise
3 [TSP] Bogardan Hellkite
4 [10E] Elvish Piper
2 [LRW] Guardian of Cloverdell
2 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
2 [TSP] Greater Gargadon
// Spells
2 [TSP] Lotus Bloom
2 [TSB] Fiery Justice
4 [FUT] Coalition Relic
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [TSP] Krosan Grip
SB: 4 [LRW] Eyes of the Wisent
SB: 2 [10E] Pyroclasm
SB: 3 [10E] Smash
SB: 2 [10E] Cryoclasm
Main stuff:
*I sideboared more Control hate in becaus ei hate control.
*i dropped most of the white, but keeping 1 plains for fiery justice |
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Tenak
Joined: 16 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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How about commune with nature for this deck? It would help you find your pipers or a big threat if you already have a piper in play.
Like the deck, if only there was a decent way to give the piper haste. Thousand year elixir mb? (lol) |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:51 am Post subject: |
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I don't think Hearthcage Giant and Guardian of the Cloverdell are good enough creatures to just straight win games once they enter play.
Hellkite and SGC are good enough. GG is also good.
Take out the Fiery Justices, then you can drop Gemstone Mine as well. It isn't a good card unless you have Predator in play anyways.
Here are some good creatures to pipe out:
Scourge of Kher Ridges
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Hamletback Goliath
Shivan Hellkite
Deadwood Treefolk
Hostility
Vigor
Cloudtresher
... and these are all red and green. You can play them through Garruk ramping quite easily. Akroma of Wrath could easily be in there even though you can't play it without piper. It is the best creature to get in play earlier than it should. |
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Trotsky1
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| The more good advice you follow the more this deck will end up looking like rg mana ramp. |
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Edward_Eld
Joined: 05 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, when there is another archetype, that is doing quite well in t2, and is very similar to this but better, it would be common sense to use Mana Ramp.
But It is your decission, piper dies with nothing, can be easily countered, so I dont see the point of this deck. |
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