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ps1c5o



Joined: 23 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: converted mana costs Reply with quote

what is the converted mana cost of cards like fire/ice and boom/bust?
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Raybelfast



Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

boom bust is 8
fire ice is 4

Eg if you flip boom bust with a confidant its gonna hurt
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Martas



Joined: 25 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the stack it depends which half you played. Outside the stack it has 2 mana costs, behavior is dependent on effect asking for mana cost of that card. Fire/Ice revealed by Dark Confidant means 4 life, boom/bust revealed for Counterbalance counters spells with CMC 2 and 6.
For more information check http://www.wizards.com/magic/comprules/MagicCompRules071001.txt
(505. Split cards)
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KeySam



Joined: 14 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

its not that easy i belive, you can imprint fire/ice in insochrom scepter. If you flip it to confi the mana coast is 2 and 6 for boom/bust so its 8 total. But like i said you can imprint fire/ice on scepter. But i am no judge and i am not sure how all this is handled exactly. (if you want to counter a boom/bust with a e.g. spellsnare i think you dont need to pay 8 as x. I think that 6 as x would work, maybe even 2 would work. But all i say is woulda coulda shoulda.

Maybe some judge make things a little clearer. I also struggle to that abit.

edit: yea i am a bit late Wink
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ps1c5o



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thnx!!

i was asking because of the confidant actually...
i guess they dont fit very well together Confused
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Avata



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CMC of Boom/Bust is not 8. If you're playing the spell, it has the CMC of whichever half you're playing. If you're not playing it (it's in your hand, library, graveyard, etc.) It has a CMC of 2 and 6.

This means naming "8" with void won't cause a player to discard Boom/Bust, but naming either 2 or 6 will.

Revealing Boom/Bust with Dark Confidant will cause a player to lose 2 life and 6 life (for a total of Cool.

Revealing an 8 cc card with counterbalance won't counter Boom/Bust. You need to reveal a 2cc to counter "Boom" or 6cc to counter "Bust."

etc.

Hope this helps.
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KeySam



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you imprint research/Development on isochrom scepter and if you can can you cast the development half with it? I think you can but i am not sure though(if you could its a pitty boom/bust is a sorcery Wink
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Hardtrack



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is Research/Development an instant with a CMC of two or less? Yes? Then you can imprint it. That it also has CMC 5 doesn't matter. And yes, you can play either half with Isochron Scepter.

Also, if you want to learn everything about split cards, read this article.
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da_penguin
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KeySam wrote:
its not that easy i belive, you can imprint fire/ice in insochrom scepter. If you flip it to confi the mana coast is 2 and 6 for boom/bust so its 8 total. But like i said you can imprint fire/ice on scepter. But i am no judge and i am not sure how all this is handled exactly. (if you want to counter a boom/bust with a e.g. spellsnare i think you dont need to pay 8 as x. I think that 6 as x would work, maybe even 2 would work. But all i say is woulda coulda shoulda.

Maybe some judge make things a little clearer. I also struggle to that abit.

edit: yea i am a bit late Wink


last time i checked spell snare didnt have an x cost but a snare would counter a boom.
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