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| Would you be ok with having tourneys alternate between Apprentice and MWS? |
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LoneWulf
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:20 am Post subject: Re: More Apprentice tourneys |
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| mTk-Away wrote: | | LoneWulf wrote: | | I've used Apprentice for years and find it much easier to learn and use than MWS. |
I've been riding a bike for years and tried skiing yesterday. Skiing was much harder. Logically, skiing sucks and everyone should use a bike instead. |
Course you probably say the same thing about masterbation and sex. "I've been masterbating for years and tried sex yesterday. Pleasing someone else was much harder. Logically, sex sucks and everyone should just masterbate."
I wasn't saying everyone should use one program or another. I was just wanting equal opportunity for Apprentice users.
I agree with kevinconvery when he said that Apprentice is functionally better and easier to learn. Sure, MWS may have extras that Apprentice doesn't, but if I wanted all the bells and whistles I'd just play MTGO. |
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lennin
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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http://www.magic-league.com/news/187/magic_workstation_magic-league's_1st_choice.html
mws and appr have the same commands for almost every action how is it harder to use appr is rly clunky and ugly, and if u dont like the league go play modo, and mws is functionally better, half the matches in a trial arent flips |
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Avata
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:26 am Post subject: |
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A few things here:
Judges are people. Tournaments aren't automated. This means that a judge is typically going to either 1) Host the tournament they want to play in or 2) Host the tournament that will make the most people happy.
Since the vast majority of league players prefer MWS to Apprentice, it's only logical the ratio of MWS tournaments to Apprentice ones would reflect that accordingly.
Taking the judge test is one option. Then you'd have the ability to host apprentice tournaments to your hearts content. |
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Craze
Joined: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 5675
Location: Indiana, U
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | A few things here:
Judges are people. Tournaments aren't automated. This means that a judge is typically going to either 1) Host the tournament they want to play in or 2) Host the tournament that will make the most people happy.
Since the vast majority of league players prefer MWS to Apprentice, it's only logical the ratio of MWS tournaments to Apprentice ones would reflect that accordingly.
Taking the judge test is one option. Then you'd have the ability to host apprentice tournaments to your hearts content. |
don't be silly. Everyone knows judges are clones of Gfo that the government installs after one passes the judge test.
Geez...
HOLY SHIT BLACK OPS!? I g2g |
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sc4rs
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:29 am Post subject: |
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I would use Appr if the league required people to either be able to host or have Hamachi and did away with flips entirely, and people who didn't have the ability to host and refused to DL either Hamachi or MWS ran the risk of getting an auto-loss if they played against someone who couldn't host but could demonstrate that they had Hamachi.
Flips = retarded. And that's why I prefer MWS - everyone can connect to everyone w/o a second step involved for those of us on a router.
Frankly I'm just waiting for Go to be finished and then there will be no arguement. |
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Avata
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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You're kidding, right? No one ever agrees on things on the internet. When go is finished, it'll just be a GO vs MWS vs Apprentice argument instead of the current one, that's all.  |
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LordHawk
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| the Main reason Magic-league isnt using Apprentice is because of backwash, which is a cheat program. Why would the league put prized tourneys on a playing application which people could cheat? It's not a whats better, this arguement has been going on for months, the league directors have taken everything into consideration and came up with Mws is the way for the league to go. Its an even playing field ( well as even as you can get ), the visual basics of it are 1000% better and the basic commands are the exact same. the transition to Mws over Apprentice was a logical choice for the directors to go with. |
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LoneWulf
Joined: 02 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Avata wrote: | A few things here:
Since the vast majority of league players prefer MWS to Apprentice, it's only logical the ratio of MWS tournaments to Apprentice ones would reflect that accordingly.
Taking the judge test is one option. Then you'd have the ability to host apprentice tournaments to your hearts content. |
What ratio? The only Apprentice tourneys are the randoms. I'm talking about Trials and Masters.
Sure I could take the test but between work and judging irl I don't have the time to commit. And I doubt I'd be allowed to host a Trial or Masters in Apprentice.
LordHawk: I don't know any cheat codes but I do think that MWS isn't invincible. There's enough hackers out there to break it. As far as visual basics...what I said before about bells and whistles.
It just feels a little discriminatory to Apprentice players. We can practice all day long and join the random tourneys but can't play Trials and Masters unless we totally change programs, learn that one, and reload our decks for that program.
If they did Trials or Masters in Apprentice they could have the stipulation of having Hamachi if you have connection problems. |
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