Sower of Temptation

ILikeBananas · Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Posts: 102

Ok I'm very frustrated by the number of people who do something wrong with this card. I don't know where else to post this. I'm posting this in hopes to reduce the chance of me having to play someone who insist they are right when they are clearly wrong. I swear like 50% of the games where someone plays a sower, the opponent does something wrong.

1) Sower is a Faerie and therefore can't be countered by Faerie Trickery

2) Sower is a Faerie, if I steal your Scion of Oona with my Sower,, you CAN'T steal MY sower with yours since MINE HAS SHROUD. By the way, Scion of Oona only gives shroud to OTHER faeries YOU CONTROL, NOT ALL faeries

3) I maintain control of the creature I stole as long as sower is IN PLAY. It doesn't matter who controls the Sower. "In play" simply means on the board, not in hand, not in library, not in RFG, not in grave, not on stack.

3b) I stole your creature, let say a tarmogoyf. If you steal my sower, I would still control the tarmogoyf.

4) LEARN WHAT SUMMON SICKNESS MEANS! If I stole a creature last turn, and this turn you kill my sower, YOU CAN'T ATTACK WITH THE CREATURE YOU JUST GOT BACK!!! A creature must be under your control SINCE THE BEGINNING OF YOUR UPKEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5) Momentary blink doesn't allow you to steal 2 creatures with 1 sower. You essentially get to steal a new creature. The old stolen creature returns to owner's control.

6) When you get back your creature that was stolen with Sower, it doesn't automatically become untapped if it was tapped!!!!!!!!!

7) Change in controller doesnt' trigger comes into play or leaves play effects. So for example, I stole your Aven Riftwatcher. YOU DON'T GET 2 LIFE for the change of control. Aven also doesn't get 3 vanishing counters for switching control. When Aven dies under my control, I GAIN 2 LIFE, NOT YOU.

Mostly I just want to get 4) across. I can't believe the number of players who don't understand summon sickness. You all know how lame some players are. They just call you a noob and quit and never bother to read the actual rules. Good luck winning events with that attitude.

NahHolmes · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 576

>NOOB!!11!
>PLAYER LOST

aldaryn · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 407

That's all duh, but I have a question about Sower and Shapeshifter

I play a face up Shifter, copying a Sower, to get your Tarmogoyf. If I turn Shapeshifter face down, do I keep the Tarmogoyf? It didn't "leave play," but it's not Sower anymore. What happens?

UntapUpkeep · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 13

You lose the Goyf. Sower has to be in play face up for it's control magic effect to be active. When it is turned face down, the Sower isn't in play anymore, it becomes a morph creature, so it's not the Sower anymore. The same way the Shifter becomes not-the-Shifter, turning into a morph creature when it's flipped down, so it's effect can be reset.

CMA-Flippi · Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:08 pm Post subject:

UntapUpkeep is wrong.
The duration of Sowers effect ends when the permanent that set it up leaves play. It doesnt end when Sower becomes flipped, tapped, turned face down or untapped etc...

IberianWolf · Joined: 17 Nov 2006 Posts: 118

indeed, it's just like haunting a treetop village (if it goes to grave as a land, you still get the haunt effect)

by the way, turning a shifter face-up targetting the sower DOES NOT get you another creature. some people aren't quite clear on that.

and I agree that some dudes are just rude when concerning the rules. it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, you can just explain things calmly and have a good time. instead of doing something like "keep your rules! *log off*", try explaining them, use the judges. don't be an idiot.

UntapUpkeep · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 13

He's right, I was wrong.
Sower's control effect is a triggered ability and defines the duration. The Sower itself doesn't do anything itself once the trigger goes off. The trigger monitors the Sower, which is still in play even when it's name is changed when it's morphed.
Thanks for correcting me, this came up a week ago, and it seems our local judge decided wrong.
Comprehensive Rules for the save

Gorbadoc · Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 56

On the subject, in Scion of Oona's text, does "Other fairie creatures" mean fairie creatures that aren't Scion of Oona, or fairie creatures that aren't this same Scion of Oona?

In other words, if I have two Scions, do they give each other shroud? Same goes for all those "affects others" abilities.

Gg nuances of the English language.

UntapUpkeep · Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 13

Ok this I'm sure of.
Each gives it's abilities to each other faerie.
They both get shroud.
Example 2 - Two Wizened Cenns makes each of them a 3/3.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2470 Location: somewhere

EMA · Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 5

Question: I play Sower of temptation, the CIP ability goes on stack targeting my opponent's tarmogoyf.
Now, what happens if i play momentary blink on my Sower with the CIP ability still on stack? Am i allowed to get the goyf plus another creature?

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 222

umm ... you dont lose goyf. "this" stamps dont erase just because a card is facedown. shapesifter coming into play copying sower is great because u steal a guy and then turn him facedown and u are ready to rock n roll

Laonis_Taere · Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 5

shadow483 · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 17

Ok here's my question. my opponent steals my tarmogoyf with sower. I then play a sower to steal it back. Then He plays another sower and takes it back again. If his second sower dies who gets the goyf?

Conkisstador · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 222

each sower has a stamp on it saying what it took... whenever a sower leaves play appropriate switches must be made.

the tricksy thing is when my sowr takes your tarm. then your sower takes the same tarm. then our sowers fight in combat and both die... who gets the tarmagoyf depends on who active player is and shenanigans like that. generally u can expect tarmagoyf to go back to owner but there's some weird interactions