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rockshard
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:00 pm Post subject: Tarmogoyf vs. burn |
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my question is, if Tarmogoyf is a 3/4, and you play Char on it, and there are no instants in any graveyard, does Tarmogoyf die?
edit, Answer: No it doesn't. Char is in the graveyard by the time State-based effects are checked.
Last edited by rockshard on Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Spyx
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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It doesn't die I think.
Magnivore doesn't die when wildfire is the 5th sorcery, so I think this works the same. |
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coolcreep
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Basically Goyf's ability is a static effect that is constantly changing, after char resolves, by the time state based effects are checked, char is in the grave making goyfy a 4/5 stick of beefcake. |
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djww19
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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^ Creep's right.
I used to abuse the same thing with vore. ^_^ People never saw that 5th sorcery = wildfire coming. lol |
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RichardDWade
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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| djww19 wrote: | ^ Creep's right.
I used to abuse the same thing with vore. ^_^ People never saw that 5th sorcery = wildfire coming. lol |
not to argue semantics but thats not really abusing since its the rules... but it is obviously something that not everyone will know about, leading to a tricky move. |
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Magx
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| but doesnt the Char resolves "in play", so BEFORE it goes to the grave ? |
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Jacois
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Magx wrote: | | but doesnt the Char resolves "in play", so BEFORE it goes to the grave ? |
The question isn't when does the damage get dealt, the question is when does the Tarmogoyf die as a result of having lethal damage on it. It dies from lethal damage when state based effects are checked. |
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rockshard
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ok thanks everyone |
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kby
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Creatures dying due to "LETHAL" damage, is only checked on state-based effects, which is the time they die.
in your case:
current p/t - 3/4 (tarmy:sorc, land, creature)
yes it would live, because state-based effects make it a 4/5 before the statebased creature dying to lethal damage layer is applyed.
Same situation, toss it around any way u like. |
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Magx
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| kby wrote: | | toss it around any way u like. |
ok : Char Resolves, doesn t go to the graveyard yet, goyf is 3/4, state bases effect are checked, goyf dies... thank you 
next time, don'T say something like that, I will take advantage of it |
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Arathomir
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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...And this is why Magx should never answer any questions.
If you're trying to be SarcasticRat, it isn't working.
Tarmogoyf lives, end of discussion. Reasons have been given here. Its been discussed in judge columns. If that's not enough reason, ask your friendly DCI judge. |
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lennin
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| magx is obv so good that his spells dont go to graveyard they just hang around on the stack. goyf dies |
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LoneWulf
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Magx wrote: | | kby wrote: | | toss it around any way u like. |
ok : Char Resolves, doesn t go to the graveyard yet, goyf is 3/4, state bases effect are checked, goyf dies... thank you
next time, don'T say something like that, I will take advantage of it |
what version of magic are you playing where char resolves but doesn't go to the grave before SBEs are checked? this would be the case if char somehow gained flashback and you cast if from the grave. |
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HebrewHammer
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Tarmogoyf DOES NOT DIE. This question has been asked so many times. SBE's are not quecked upon resolution so even though the goyf has 4 toughness and 4 points of damage on it, it doesnt die. Char goes to the grave, then SBE's are checked and the goyf is then a 4/5 and doesnt die. |
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LoneWulf
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| We know this HH. It's been established. People are just being stupid with it now. |
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