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toguppy
Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:36 am Post subject: dredges new toy POST10th |
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Goblin Lore....
post ideas and discuss, I'm very interested to see how powerful this card could be inside of a dredge deck.
As dredge is now the only real combo deck viable in the t2 format with DS gone(I'll miss you seething song.... Naaaaaaahhht!!!  ) i for one am interested to see if it can be competitive too.
*note: Project X isnt combo, its aggro control with combo back up. |
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Bushviper
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| I play dredge right now and the ability of goblin lore certainly is powerful but its mana cost leaves much to be desired. Dredge decks are already BUG and to add red would make things too inconsistant. You could take out one of the other colors however because the dredge mechanic is Green and Black, you would have to take out Blue. THe problem with this is the simple power of Narcomeba and Magus are much more powerful and consistant than Goblin Lore. |
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djww19
Joined: 15 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| It'll be a nice splash card for builds with the mana base to take advantage of it, but I wouldn't expect to see it in every build. Losing Blue to get it doesn't make it worth it. Unless perhaps a more controlling build surfaced... Board control via burn, of course. |
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HdH_Cthulhu
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| You could skip green! You dont need green! |
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DragonBuster
Joined: 22 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| What about Zombie Infestation for black? That's coming back, too, as far as the spoiler says. |
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Thorns
Joined: 16 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| DragonBuster wrote: | | What about Zombie Infestation for black? That's coming back, too, as far as the spoiler says. |
And where exactly do you see this? The last card for black is Vampire Bats.
| HdH_Cthulhu wrote: | | You could skip green! You dont need green! |
And lose one of the win conditions? Grave-troll is too good of a dredger and beater to skip by, sorry. Plus, green gives you tools like Krosan Grip and Putrefy. |
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thedarkness
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:47 am Post subject: |
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No it isn't.. o.o;
Gemstone Mine/Caverns support it just fine, by the way. |
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Salsa_
Joined: 03 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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It simply doens´t fit.
The new toy for dredge is Reya, for sure, not goblin lore. |
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DragonBuster
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Thorns wrote: | | DragonBuster wrote: | | What about Zombie Infestation for black? That's coming back, too, as far as the spoiler says. |
And where exactly do you see this? The last card for black is Vampire Bats. |
Meh. I went and checked the MTGSalvation spoiler, and it wasn't in there, either. I honestly have no idea why I might've thought that card came back, then. o.0 I coulda sworn I saw it in a spoiler somewhere...=( |
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HUNGTACTICS
Joined: 30 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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| good idea.. i think mine could help this problem a lot |
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Engrishskill
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: dredges new toy POST10th |
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| toguppy wrote: | Goblin Lore....
post ideas and discuss, I'm very interested to see how powerful this card could be inside of a dredge deck.
As dredge is now the only real combo deck viable in the t2 format with DS gone(I'll miss you seething song.... Naaaaaaahhht!!! ) i for one am interested to see if it can be competitive too.
*note: Project X isnt combo, its aggro control with combo back up. |
Why don't you work it into dredge on your own? It's pretty easy: make room for four non-land cards and then add a few more red sources.
It is an interesting card for dredge. It is right up there with glimpse though. I have tested both. They're neat but, they sort of take away from the deck being solid and streamline it to a fault where it has no other game plan aside from bridge and so forth. The lore is also useless outside of the first turn or so and lacks the utillity of more mundane discard/draw mechanisms.
I am not really a fan of it personally, perse.
As for your incredibly f***ing stupid comment about Px, the deck has a combo in it. It might not be a dedicated combo deck but it is still combo. STFU. In rough situations, dstorm would song out one dragon and win...wtf does that mean then? Life.dec happens to be able to go aggro but the combo is generally preferred for wins...oh damn, same thing with Px.
Go to source or manadrain and calmly announce that life.dec is not combo but, aggro with combo back up.
In principle, Px and life.dec are almost identical. Ask just about any life or Px player, chances are they will say that their combo(in most games/matches) is what they will gun for, however sometimes they'll fall back on turning shight sideways. The only reason I say this is because I happen to have spent a lot of time playing both decks. |
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Lackeos
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Dredge is better off not playing red. |
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toguppy
Joined: 03 Sep 2004
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heya engrishkill  lol ouch i was wondering if any1 would say something hehehe apparently they did.
im personally testing a ubr dredge atm with glimpse, goblin lore, and magus atm to power out turn 3 wins. The biggest boon here is that there are additional discard outlets now available in the deck due to goblin lore.
Green is not required asides from a splash of gemstone mines. and with the amount of creatures hitting graveyards early these days its best not to rely on bridge for the win. I personally am not running zealot allthough i am running 4 bridge which removes the ability of 1 mogg fanatic or saffi from ruining your day. |
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Shivan1
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| Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| goblin lore early is like marginal - but mid-late game it says "1R: Dredge like 20+ cards"... that's just insanely good. |
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_Bouncyer_
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: Px |
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I've been playing project x for months, even before FS and have had alot of success with it and have also Q'ed for nats on the back of it. Those who say that people go for the combo are almost all wrong. Your main wins come from heiarchs, card advantage and wish for answers. Crypt champions are very often even played for with red to return confidants and aggro control players.
-Bouncy |
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