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Do you belive in god?
Yes
48%
 48%  [ 17 ]
No
51%
 51%  [ 18 ]
Total Votes : 35

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Hank333



Joined: 23 Oct 2006
Posts: 309
Location: San Antoni

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Your belief system. Reply with quote

Well the forum has been pretty boring lately, I thought I would bring up a topic the everyone has an opinion on. God, religion, and politics.

I have no faith in our system. Politics in America, and worldwide really, is a total failure that will lead up to world war 3 sooner or later.
I have no faith in our religious systems. Catholicism is a joke. I believe the many people who are atheist are atheist because they see how narrow minded Christians and the likes can be and assume that if they are wrong, that there is no god. That is a trap by the devil, or whatever you call the dark side.
I have a firm faith in god. I know he is there. He isn't some great being in the sky, he is everything, and he is us we are him. He is love.
I know MTG players tend to be rather intelligent. I know intelligent people tend to put faith into science. I have little faith in science. While you can use the scientific method to determine the outcome of specific things, its limited by what us humans already know how to control, so thing we have no compression of are still very close to impossible to discover.

We humans are dumb; we need to admit that to ourselves, we are all falling into a trap. There is a small but powerful group of ultra-rich elitist leading us into a slave system called the new world order; we will be slaves to an economy, to money and the desire for worldly things.

You may not believe in god, but you know the world is screwed up.
There is a god, life is a series of lessons, and none of us know anything about the nature of the universe. Follow your heart.

*whew* done ranting... and let me know how many words I misspelled, I bet at least 20. Likely more

what is your belief system and why? How much faith do you have in your belief system?
I have no desire you change you, if you comment, attack the beef, not my crappy grammar.

Your right RichardDwade, i should run it through a spell check, thanks for the advice!
triple edit, should be spelling error frea! Razz


Last edited by Hank333 on Mon Apr 23, 2007 8:13 pm; edited 3 times in total
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RichardDWade



Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Posts: 438

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should take your "firm faith in god" back to school and learn how to spell. Proper grammar would help too. No matter how good your points are, writing like this is just garbage. Posts like these never hold any water for me when the mountain man who posted it can't even get a grip on proper English let alone whatever the hell he is ranting about.

Edit: I just read it again. And now I'm dumber. Lets go for a third time..... And PLEASE OH PLEASE don't project yourself by saying "us humans are dumb" . First of all, I believe its "we" and second of all, I hope when the aliens come examine us, I am not placed in the same category as you.
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iKe



Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 530
Location: New York

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This topic is just going to cause flaming.... Rolling Eyes

the new world order thingy is all bullshit... most people already worship money... I'm sure some people might exclude themselves from this - but everyone wants to be rich. No matter how happy you think you are and even if you do believe money doesn't bring happiness, You still want plenty of it.
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Quantumdemon



Joined: 06 May 2006
Posts: 67

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm an agnostic.

Hence why I think the poll question isnt very fair. First thing I have a problem with is, what is god, allah, vishnu, elvis, money, porn? Everybody worships something but no one really understands what they're worshipping. In this world, especially more so now than ever, people CLAIM to be religious but are in fact, fakers. Not because they dont actually think they're religious, because they do, but because they dont know ************ about what they believe. For christ's sake(Pun intended) most people who claim to be religious cant even accurately describe what their religion is about. I dont have any problem with there being a "God", however I do have problems with people who claim to be his "homies", and somehow think they're better than other people because of this self proclamation. When it comes down to it...every stupid f****************** thinks they're right about what's "the right" religion, so I choose not to believe in any of them.
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Fanboy



Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 424

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

you gotta be careful with these kinds of topics...like you when I was younger I would try to live out my Da Vinci Code moments via forum rant...short of you making a media coverage...people dont tend to listen...you gotta convince and audience to go moderate before channeling them to a side when it comes to politics and faith.

But I know you intent is to not get flaming (however this stands as a wet lightening rod at the moment)...so i'll play ball.

I for one am agnostic. I feel that there is not enough proof to know what the all mighty answer is. By this i mean to full extremes that we may not have ANY proof. Example: Anything we may know as fact may be illusion. As crazy as it is the whole it all may be a dream is not too far fetched. Considering we don't even know the origin of existence, potentially everything is a variable of unknown value since the equation of understanding its existence and true nature is missing parts to the formula that proves things without a doubt (a logic mirage is a good metaphor).

THIS IS THE KEY POINT HERE (intermission...no one likes long text):

Since nothing can be proven by this you could argue that doing anything in life is redundant as you have no evidence that doing anything is beneficial...however you take life's findings as a theroy to go buy. The lifestyle now imploys a learning method. Where as most faiths generate rules to follow and thus have life defined, you realize since you don't know anything (and anything coincidentally true is still technically unproven by previous logic...but still remains possibly true) you live life accepting that anything you here may or may not be true, but make decisions in trusting certain parts and keeping some in back of mind. So now we can accept that the air we breathe is real and not an illusion simply because it agrees with what info we've gathered...but we also willing to accpet that an outlandish idea that its a magic out of a donkeys ass that keeps us breathing when oxygen is around...we don't throw our life away in the confusion...so what benefit does that serve?

Well any religion can be torn down to a rediculous fairy tale (VERY easily...especially Christianity). But hell...thye may be true..you can't prove or disprove it thus it's a valid contender. So we make an estimate but avoid the bias off blind faith and follow that life style. But since we keep in mind that all we know may be a farse, if truth does rear its head, we do not cast it aside out of ignorance. THUS at your final moment you better your chances of guessing the right one..if there is one.

And thus we have the most logical and solid path to walk by as it's the only one that can never be challenged with "your wrong or right" as its stance is not to say it is or isn't, but to merely make claim that you don't know but your trying to find out.

So...yeah...im done. crazy religious people...
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Fanboy



Joined: 16 Jun 2005
Posts: 424

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow and that was the short watered down version O.o...
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TD



Joined: 19 Jul 2006
Posts: 110

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no god, I'm afraid. God is simply an imaginary construct manufactured to console people who are incapable of facing the darkness of oblivion. Its hard for people to deal with the reality that the universe is simply a mechanical place and that death is the end.

In any event, given how callous this "God" fellow would have to be to allow people to drown their own children in bathtubs, go out and rape and murder people, ect. I don't see why you'd want to worship them even if they did exist, as its quite obvious any god would be at best deistic and most likely outright malicious or at the very least highly capricious.
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Avata



Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Posts: 407

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TD wrote:
its quite obvious any god would be at best deistic


Seems likely. I highly doubt God is an Atheist.

In any case, the counterpoint: What if God allows people to rape, murder, etc., no matter how much it hurts Him, because it's important to him that people have free will?

The government could stop rape, murder, and all the rest, all they would have to do is control every activity that everyone ever did. Would you see that as a good and loving government?
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Mindblaze



Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're all just a bunch of monkeys...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a15KgyXBX24
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Laplie



Joined: 31 Aug 2004
Posts: 561

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avata wrote:

In any case, the counterpoint: What if God allows people to rape, murder, etc., no matter how much it hurts Him, because it's important to him that people have free will?

The government could stop rape, murder, and all the rest, all they would have to do is control every activity that everyone ever did. Would you see that as a good and loving government?


I've never heard this counterpoint before (though I sure its probably used a lot) and I thank you for enlightening me today.

...
Back to the original poster, we are not "falling into a trap", or spiraling into some sort of black pit. In fact, I feel that people are progressing to a point much futher along and much more enlightened than in the past. For example, compare today to the middle ages. Being serf to a feudal lord is much closer to slavery than having to work at some modern day low-end job to pay your mortgage.

....
I'll leave on a tangent with this famous thouoght questions:

"Could God make a boulder so heavy that even he couldn't lift it?"
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Bozo



Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 107

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laplie wrote:

"Could God make a boulder so heavy that even he couldn't lift it?"


No.
That isn't a question of the omnipotence of God, that's just an IMPOSSIBLE thing to do. Creating a boulder that God himself could not lift is against the rules of God being able to do everything. If you accept the premise that God can do anything, than it is a silly thing to even question his ability to lift boulder's. What I'm saying is, there are a lot of things God couldn't do. God cannot sin, for instance. He cannot tell a lie, or steal, or lust. Likewise, it is outside the realm of possibility for God to be able to "outdo himself."
It doesn't prove that God is not omnipotent, rather, it proves that there are certain things which wouldn't make any physical sense.

I am a Christian, personally.

Anyways, it's kinda dumb to try and argue the existence of God. It seems obvious to me that there is ABSOLUTELY no way to prove it one way or the other. Seems like the best solution to me though.
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Streakz



Joined: 13 Oct 2005
Posts: 112

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
God can do anything, than it is a silly thing to even question his ability to lift boulder's. What I'm saying is, there are a lot of things God couldn't do. God cannot sin, for instance. He cannot tell a lie, or steal, or lust. Likewise, it is outside the realm of possibility for God to be able to "outdo himself."


I am a Christian as well but for the sake of argument, what if in another relgion, he could do those things? Maybe other believe so?

The general problem with discussions like these is that the subject of religion in and of itself causes way to much controversy to be discussed intelligently without people inserting their own close-minded opinions because it is what their religion "forces" them to believe.
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Hank333



Joined: 23 Oct 2006
Posts: 309
Location: San Antoni

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Streakz wrote:



The general problem with discussions like these is that the subject of religion in and of itself causes way to much controversy to be discussed intelligently without people inserting their own close-minded opinions because it is what their religion "forces" them to believe.[/quote]

One of my main points is this:
Religion isn't god. 2 very different things. Religions are tools of man that hijack the name of god to influence people into what another man considers right and wrong. Separating god and religion isn't easy for many people because there concept of god lies in there view of religion.


Lapie had a good point, about us becoming enlightened. And that is true, but I think that the powers that be have an agenda to prevent this from happening to us. I think in the end we well "evolve" in some way and that will be the saving grace because everyone will view life through new eyes and see the problems in our society.

I always try to define what god is, but that is imposable. He isn't a person, a body. He is everything all at once. He is truth, light, and love. He exists on a different dimension, the same dimension that our souls exist on. But in the dimension we live on darkness can reign just as easily as light. We chose which side we are on.
I should stop trying to define god because there are no words to explain what he is.

Coincidences, synchronicity’s, and karma are how god speaks to us.

If god came down and told you who he was, you would KNOW that he was there, you would KNOW the truth, and you would lose your free will in the process, god wants you to learn the truth, he doesn't want to stuff the truth down your throat.
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Bozo



Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 107

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russell_Nash wrote:
I cant see how my belief in such a being would play one way or the other in my judgment though. This whole if you don’t believe in Jesus/God you’ll burn in hell sentiment has really turned me off to all of Christianity. Why would a loving and caring god judge people on their believes rather then their actions? I don’t think it would.

If you truly believe then your actions will reflect that. Always. Jesus himself said that you can tell a tree by what sort of fruit it produces, and it is also true that faith without works is dead.
According to the bible, we were created to glorify God. God is all powerful and wonderful in all ways, and our sole purpose was to reflect his glory. However, our praise and our obedience would be meaningless without free will, and with free will comes the option to not glorify God.
God is perfect in all ways and cannot be around sin, however, we are not perfect, we have sinned, and therefor we cannot be anywhere near God. Our only place after death to go then, would be Hell. Luckily for us, Jesus is our intercessor, he came and lived a perfect life and took on the burdens of our sins. Because he never sinned, not even once, he payed our debts, and all we have to do to receive this freely given gift is to give out lives to him.
That is what i believe. I don't see how my telling you this and trying to open you up to this is scamming you in any way; rather, I tell you because I believe it could be good for you.
I agree that organized religion has caused a lot of problems, however, I don't think it is the fault of the religion itself most of the time. Rather, it is generally the fault of radical people using religion to satisfy there own purposes.
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coolcreep



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Posts: 588

PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am of the order of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. All those sinners who worship this "god" and arrogantly believe they are built in the image of the great One shall be destroyed. Only those that recognize the supremecy of the Flying Spaghetti Monster shall be saved from eternal damnation in Italy. Not today's beautiful Italy, no, an Italy made to reap what it has sowed by feasting on the same material that our great One chose to take it's form in. Repent! Repent! We are in the darkest of times, and only through submission to the great One can we be saved from tidal waves of tomato sauce and huge, frozen meatballs falling from the sky! The Flying Spaghetti Monster is god, and Dr. Atkins is his Prophet! At the eve of the apocalypse he will be resurrected and will take his throne as the leader of men under the great One! REPENT I TELL YOU! REPENT!
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