Cheese!

Gootch · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 10

Get ready to flame everyone. I had to be the first person to make an attempt at cheese.dec, so here goes.

4x Gemstone Mine
4x Sacred Foundry
4x Hallowed Fountain
4x Steam Vents
4x New Benalia
2x Boros Garrison
1x Azorious Chancery
1x Izzet Boilerworks
lands: 24

4x Lost Auramancers
4x Greater Gargadon
creatures: 8

4x Telling Time
4x Sleight of Hand
4x Lotus Bloom
3x Claws of Gix
3x Razia's Purification
3x Conflagrate
3x Barren Glory
4x Pact of Negation
other spells: 28

Reasons...
Gemstone Mine... 3 color deck, it makes all 3
bounce lands... work well with Gemstone... and with Razia's
New Benalia... white mana, uncounterable scry

Greater Gargadon... 1 mana to sac all my permanents... 'nuff said.
Lost Auramancers... get enchantment into play direct

Sleight of Hand/Telling Time... find the cards I need
Lotus Bloom... mana accel that sacs itself
Claws of Gix... another sac outlet
Razia's Purification... pseudo wrath/bust, works well with bounce lands and suspend
Conflagrate... help with creatures, discard outlet
Barren Glory... win con
Pact of Negation... free counterspell for when im tapped out

No ideas on a sideboard yet, I just threw this together about 20 minutes ago. I've played 4 games so far, 2-2 record, and been called a noob 3 times. Oh the joys of rogue decks.

sgtpepper87 · Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 118

n00b !!!

JonPatton · Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 157

Play the green pact, too. The gargadon is pretty necessary, and you can just grab him the turn you're going to win.

Also, I see no reason not to play balance in this deck. You might want to just do this in block, however. Dragon Storm still goes off more consistently and has the same fundamental turn.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 506

The green pact only fetches a green creature, sadly.

Edward_Eld · Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 18

Green pact only searches for green creatures, so in this deck is not necessary. I will prefer ignorant bliss, sac all, play this and win the game. Its easy.

Gootch · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 10

4 Times now. Razz

Barren Glory wins at beginning of upkeep... but I guess I could cast Ignorant Bliss in response to the check. As I found in my testing, consistently having both the sac outlet and discard outlet was difficult, maybe bliss would be better. Claws of Gix can be expensive, but all I need is 1 bounce land, the rest of the lands sac themselves.

I thought about Restore Balance, but the Gargadon-Balance thing has been done, and died of its own accord. Not that I dont expect this one to die also.

I tried to play a version with Seething Song and Rite of Flame, thinking it would be faster and avoid playing permanents. But I had no way of finding the pieces, and topdecking just Isnt fast enough. I put in howling mines, but the opponent drew into hate faster than I drew into the win. So I added blue for finding the cards I need and didn't know what else to pull out.

Anyway, possible deck edits... Ignorant Bliss, re-inserting mana spells for Purification/Claws. What should I take out?

Ironicus · Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 145

Poeple like sgtpepper87 should be banned

Gootch · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 10

Bit of an update on the testing thus far. Ive noticed this deck just bends over and spreads its cheeks to aggro.

changes:
-4 Telling Time
-3 Razia's Purification
-3 Conflagrate
-4 Pact of Negation
-1 Claws of Gix
-1 Barren Glory

+4 Court Hussar... blocker, replace Telling Time
+4 Azorious Herald... blocker, +4 life
+4 Wrath of God... for obvious reasons
+4 Ignorant Bliss... instant speed, empty hand, defense against discard

Keeping 2 Claws of Gix for now, Ive found nothing to replace them with and I like having something besides Gargadon to sac to, just in case.

In an unrelated question... does anyone else think that red aura is overpowered? 5/5 for 2, 8/8 for 3... all with haste? Played against a guy who went:
Turn 1: Forest, Birds of Paradise
Turn 2: Mountain, Burning-Tree Shaman
Turn 3: Forest, Emblem of the Warmind(Shaman), Sheltering Ancient, swing for 8
Turn 4: sac Ancient, Phyrexian Soulgorger, Giant Growth, swing for 14

Ouch.

marten2 · Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 22

I would cut the lost auramancers too since they only work when they have no time counters on them which is not going to happen before turn 7 which is way too late. you could replace them by some more card draw/selection like compulsive research

mTk-Away · Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 86

Alright, one thing about Ignorant Bliss, and the whole Glory in general.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you have cards in hand or other permanents in play, the Glory trigger doesn't stack, so you can't "in response sac everything and ditch my hand". If you want the trigger to stack up (and finally resolve), you need to act at your opponent's eot.
Ignorant Bliss is best to be used at your opponent's eot. Remember, eot stuff has already triggered, so you will get your hand back at the next eot (your turn).

Another good way to keep empty hands is Bottled Chloister. It even helps you getting the right cards when played.

Gootch · Joined: 14 Dec 2006 Posts: 10

I thought about Bottled Cloister, but in my experience (now bear in mind, this could just be me having rotten luck also) I dont hit the cards I need as fast as I need them... and theres enough hate around that I just lost what I did have and Im topdecking again. It can work if you are hitting threats, but not if you are looking for a combo piece, or at least not as often. I may give it a test run tho.