Which is better, Dark Confidant or Psychatog?

Nevian · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 139

Now this comparison is silly for many reasons. One they do completely different jobs in a deck. Tog sits around then in one leap of hugeness kills the opponent. Bob sits around and can help kill the opponent but he is great with the card avantage. Number one rule in magic is cards and who helps you get those Bob. Two Tog has whole decks based on it winning and it has always done really well. Bob fits in almost any deck with black splashed in it. Now as far as power goes, just like anything else people are going to base it on what they have seen and what is around now. Bob hsn't been around long enough to know his true and great power, if any. Tog has been around so long that people will plan to play and add graveyard hate just to kill it. Some people will say Tog is better just from that aspect and others will say Bob is better because he can fit in almost anywhere.

Me peronally I love them both. I think they are both great and powerful cards, but in the current extended format there is way too much gravyard hate to play tog effectivly, but Bob can fit in almost anywhere. Tog is still a great champion and he is owed his dues, but I think it may be time for him to retire. Maybe in a couple seasons he will be back on top, but for now he is not worth using in Extended IMO.

Ichigo- · Joined: 09 Dec 2006 Posts: 42

OKay Bob is great hes card draw on a 2/1 beat stick. Tog would be better if it wasn't for a handfull of cards. aka sudden shock pithing needle tormods crypt .. the list goes on.

Go look at worlds results for inv/ody type 2. You realize that 80% of the field Is Tog. Everyone and there mother played tog at that tourny.
Tog won Tog came in second Tog came in 3-3000..
jk but yah tog is pretty cool. But bob is much more functional and can be put in almost any deck. so Bob wins.

dboy1 · Joined: 20 Dec 2004 Posts: 150

bob>tog ....... dv8r>all

NahHolmes · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 561

Tog
Standard- Tog Dominated Format
Extended- Tog made huge impact last extended season, multiple/multiple top 8s
Legacy- HulkSmash was huge pre 1.5 turning into Legacy
Vintage- For about a year the end of almost every game was end of turn Cunning Wish for Berserk then attack with Tog.

Confidant
Standard- So far best decks are BW Aggro and Dark Boros neither of which is too stellar.
Extended- Too early to tell, he's good but not domanant
Legacy- Goes in overrated Pikula deck and EBA which has yet to prove itself.
Vintage- Admittedly good but not dominant by any means.

Am I missing anything?

Stucco · Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 481

I am not looking at the past, I'm looking at now. There are way more ways to deal with Dark Confidant than to deal with psychatog. Yet, Confidant is played much more than tog. I think that speaks volumes to the current good/bad qualities in them.

Also, comparing standards isn't a good idea. Up until recently, Wizards streamlined players into playing certain archtypes in certain blocks. When tog was popular T2, it was because that was what wizards wanted to do. Now T2 is much more open ended and if people play Confidant it's because it is a quality card. It has nothing to do with wizards almost forcing you to play a certain deck type.

Eldariel · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 124

Russell_Nash · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 694 Location: Burn Ward

Eldariel: by that redicuous logic power 9 is terrible because it is only played in 1 format.

NahHolmes: that about nails is

Bob is seeing more play right now, but Tog has played a larger role of impacting formats(mostly past formats) and thats why its the better.

SteveOB · Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 46

Ok wasn't gonna post but I have to flame some dude...but since Im stoned I forget who...he was saying that tog defines the formats hes in...he never has, he wasn't even the best creature...many would argue wild mongrel was then...Im not saying either way cause its not a big deal but confidant is played in 3 diff t1 decks and a buncha t2 and ext decks...hes way better now...

_bouncyer_ · Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Posts: 129

Eldariel · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 124

Matticus21 · Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Posts: 24

Pete278 · Joined: 03 Jun 2005 Posts: 48

Psychatog is the best creature, ever, therefore its better. Wouldn't something like Tog vs Welder be more appropriate?

jheezy · Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 170

bob is an efficient card drwrer that has "kill me or u lose" stamped on it

psychatog has the same exact thing except it provides 1cc counterspells

the thing is that there is soooo much graveyard hate in ext. there's crypt,wretch,scrabbling claws,and jotun grunt.however bob either absorbs removal or gives u tons of cards. its like for every 1 hate card for tog theres like 10 for bob.

they both have there own ups and downs but psychatog as a card is a really good wild mongrel and confidant is a bad personal crescent moon.imho psychatog is better as a card.

this is like that rune snag vs mana leak discussion, it never really led to influencing about how ppl ran decks, it was jus a bunch of ppl trying to prove each other wrong.

also btw wtf is with ppl calling each other suicidal maniacs and insane or morons about an arguement over card games. honestly,its online magic,jus because someone voices their opinions doesnt mean they're a waste of oxygen

PS

suprmilkchan · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 41

Let's see the two face off in 2 decks where they would do the most ie dark confidant: pikula brew vs some legacy tog deck

MAY THE WINNER BE THE BEST OUT OF 100 MATCHES

Via · Joined: 23 Sep 2006 Posts: 26

No doubt tog is better. Dark Confidant is my favourite card, and he is just great, but Psychatog owned almost all formats for a very long time. And yes, wizards had to print a big pile of cards against tog to change it.

I'm paraphrasing here, but a well-known Pro Player said that if Wizards had printed a 5/6 for 1UB, it would have been considerably more fair than Tog.