Another tough question about stack priority....

uberman · Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 101

Here is the sequence of events...... I play a Misha's Bauble, Remand it back to my hand, and then play Erayo, Soratimi Ascendent. My opponent plays Mortify in response, in an attempt to kill it before I play the bauble again, but since the mortify is spell number 4, it flips. I argue that he played the 4th spell, flipping the Erayo before Mortify resolves and thus countering the Mortify (his first spell). He argues that the Mortify resolves before it flips...Who is right? I ended up countering it anyway but I'd like to know the official ruling. Thanks in advance.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:36 am Post subject:

why wouldn't you just play bauble, remand, bauble, and make ascendant 4th spell?

st4x · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 358

bc that doesnt work. erayo cant see itself being played. but when ur opp plays mortify the erayo will flip and the mortify will fizzle for lack of target.

Koen · Administrator Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 338

Koen · Administrator Joined: 10 Mar 2004 Posts: 338

Oh, yah, that's right too. Opponent can only play Mortify on Erayo if you pass priority. He cannot "respond to Erayo being played", Erayo is still a spell then and no creature/enchantment.

So when Erayo resolves, you first get priority and can cast Bauble again. When you play Bauble, Erayo flipping would go on the stack, then the opponent can respond with Mortify.

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NahHolmes · Joined: 13 Jan 2005 Posts: 576

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 803

wow, complicated stuff

freddy · Joined: 15 May 2006 Posts: 180

ok, so can i get a clarification on the priority?
if you play erayo, you first gain priority while she is on the stack, you pass. yu opponent passes and lets erayo resolve. even though as active player, you get priority next, is mishra's bauble really going to be faster than a mority there?
and even if you cast the bauble, and erayo sees it and puts her flip trigger on the stack, your opponent could mortify right then and kill erayo before she flips. right?

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject:

Right.

Erayo flipping is a triggered ability that uses the stack. If the opponent responds to the triggered ability, then the Mortify can destroy it.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:

Koen, I'm affraid you are wrong with your ruling. Since mortify is the fourth spell being played, Erayo would flip. Thus the mortify would be countered since it is the first spell my opponent is playing. If you don't believe me go to ruling 508 in the DCI Magic Comprehensive rule book.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject:

And flipping a permanent doesnt use the stack. Erayo reads, WHENEVER the fourth spell of a turn is played, flip erayo. Since Mortify is the 4th spell being played, erayo is flipped, no questions asked, you cant respond the to flip since flipping doesnt use the stack. Again to reinterate, the mortify would be countered.

sonicqaz · Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 338

In the aforementioned game, the player playing the Mortify, played it out of turn because he didn't have priority at the time the Erayo was on the field. Thus you would have played the fourth spell, which would trigger the ability, making it a triggered ability, and causing the Erayo to flip. It is a triggered ability because it does say "whenever". The term "whenever" is a word to look for in triggered abilities. Other words to look for are "if", and "when". The Mortify would kill the Erayo.

Guest · Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

Erayo's trigger still goes on the stack, as it is a triggered ability, so you have a stack that has Mortify on the bottom, then Erayo's trigger above it. Erayo's ability resolves first, assuming no one responds with another spell. Once Erayo's ability has resolved he flips and becomes an enchantment. If the fourth spell in the turn is the first spell an opponent plays it would not get countered (from the FAQ for Kamigawa), it's also worth noting that he couldn't have mortified your Erayo anyway, as after Erayo resolves you have priority.

guest · Guest

If mortify is the 4th played spell, it will kill erayo. By the time erayo flips mortify is already on the stack and not subject to essence. Since a flipped erayo is still a valid target for mortify it dies.