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Red_Mage
Joined: 13 May 2006
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 Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:46 pm Post subject: Rogue Deck Competition Thread |
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Welcome to the Rogue Deck Building Challenge Thread.
This thread is unofficial, but I figured since there were already 13 comments on the News Article, that it's own thread might be a good idea.
Below I copy the announcements and relevant comments (Mainly from Lordhawk and Haro!).
Original Announcement
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Red_Mage
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Lordhawk wrote: | Okay everyone, here is the run down: You make a rogue deck list that CANNOT be a tier 1 or 2 list. For example, changing one card in b/w husk is not allowed. Your lists will be graded on Four sections:
#1 Solidness: this category focuses on how your deck plays out against the tier 1 archetypes.
#2 Originality: We like to see new card combos, even if it’s not a power house combo.
#3 Article: You will need to write an article about your list, including: why you chose certain cards, matchup analysis, and any other additional comments.
#4 Tournament: On a certain day (not determined yet) we will run a mini (no max depending on size of entries). The winner of the mini will get 10 points (on the grade for the list), 2nd place gets 7, and 3rd place gets 4.
All sections have a grade scale of 1-10 in the case of a tie in the overall section. The tiebreaker goes to the person with the highest originality points.
Articles@magic-league.com ( for submitting your entry) must have your list and the article or it's not a valid entry. CONTEST ends June 15th, 2006
This Contests Format is Standard!!!!
Have fun and we look forward to seeing the entries. |
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Red_Mage
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Haro wrote: | Revisions of existing archetypes will be accepted if they contain a significant change. Changing 1 card in Ghost Dad is NOT a significant change but a total color shift is quite significant. If you do 'update' a deck, it would definitely be to your advantage if you list the reasons why your updated deck is better than the older version.
Example: WB tron and why it may be better than UR or URg tron |
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Strovil
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think there is a flaw in the idea of a Rogue Deck tournament, especially when it constitutes 25% of the grade.
Rogue decks are built to beat a metagame. A deck that beats the tier 1 (and maybe 2) decks is, technically, a very good rogue deck.
But the tournament does not reward rogue decks that fulfill their purpose. The tournament rewards decks that beat other new decks. Unless the winners of the tournament have good scores in "solidness" (solidity is the good-old word for being solid), their worth as rogue decks are not confirmed by the tournament.
Insofar as the deck beats the top tiers, it is a proper rogue deck. Insofar as the deck beats other decks in this tournament, it is just a defining archetype of a new format. |
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Red_Mage
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Strovil wrote: | I think there is a flaw in the idea of a Rogue Deck tournament, especially when it constitutes 25% of the grade.
Rogue decks are built to beat a metagame. A deck that beats the tier 1 (and maybe 2) decks is, technically, a very good rogue deck. |
Ahhh, but there is a real challenge. Building a deck, specifically a rogue deck, that can hopefully beat Tier 1 and 2 decks consistantly. Yet, it is able to beat down other decks that aren't Tier 1 or 2.
I think the tournament is the perfect way to fully test the decks out! |
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the_guy_123
Joined: 08 Jun 2005
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Location: Quebec
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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There's no format posted. Are we supposed to assume this refers to Standard or can it be Vintage as well? I'll be glad to make a Vintage rogue list and watch it beat all the other rogue decks. I'll get 100% on originality. 
I love you Red_Mage, even though you're picture shows a wizard... |
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Polluz
Joined: 31 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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quoted from the original announcement:
| Quote: | I assume the format will be standard?
and how do you determine who will be 3rd and fourth in the mini, since its single elimination? you should reward semi-finalists with the same amount of points?
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Gerrardfo
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm pretty sure it's Standard (Type 2). I think semifinalists will be given an equal number of points. |
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the_guy_123
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw all that, but no one confirmed. |
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Red_Mage
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Gerrardfo wrote: | | I'm pretty sure it's Standard (Type 2). I think semifinalists will be given an equal number of points. |
It was said in the original announcement on the home page.
It is also re-posted here in the second post.
The Format is Type 2 (Standard).
P.S. I love you too guy! |
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VacancyMan
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| the_guy_123 wrote: | There's no format posted. Are we supposed to assume this refers to Standard or can it be Vintage as well? I'll be glad to make a Vintage rogue list and watch it beat all the other rogue decks. I'll get 100% on originality.
I love you Red_Mage, even though you're picture shows a wizard... |
If Ghost Dad and U/R Tron are Tier 1 decks in Vintage, I give up on magic altogether.  |
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Strovil
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Red_Mage wrote: | | Ahhh, but there is a real challenge. Building a deck, specifically a rogue deck, that can hopefully beat Tier 1 and 2 decks consistantly. Yet, it is able to beat down other decks that aren't Tier 1 or 2. |
But see, that would not so much be building a rogue deck as building a new tier 1/2 archetype.
Owling Mine was an example of a true rogue deck and it has very little staying power against anything that is not part of the metagame it was designed to defeat.
I do not object to a contest for building such decks (I support every effort that foils, or at least discourages, netdecking); I just object to classifying the contest as one specifically for "rogue decks."
On the other hand, if the contest was announced with every criterion except the tournament, and then the tournament was annouced later, that would have been a good test.
I think I will enter either way, if I can find time in the next few weeks. Unfortunately, my current rogue deck is too close to an established archetype if going from UR Tron to WB Tron is the accepted guideline for a significant change in archetype. |
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ShadowS
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't mind doing an article, but how do you do in the format that shows decks, and the side pictures and such if you send it in an email? |
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Psiguy
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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Does the following count as acceptable decks?
*$37.55 UR Bounce N' Burn
Link - http://www.magic-league.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2598
* A UG Aggro deck that utilizes the green part of golgari's dredge with the blue aspect of rediculous card draw. Combined, you get aggro that decreases the effectiveness of spot removal or W.O.G like effects.
Hopefully, I can write a good article on those decks. Just wondering, what is the maximum # of decks you can submit to this event? |
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Insanity
Joined: 11 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with strovil on this one. When I read the post, the idea of the tournament seemed pretty dumb. You're building decks to beat the meta-game just to play against... not the meta-game..?
Though it seems like lordhawk is using a different definition of rogue than we are. |
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